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bill 3dYes but he is 5D in HDE.
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bill 3dYes but he is 5D in HDE.
Because you're arguing that it can no-sell destruction even from Higher-Dimensional destruction.Why would its independence from reality give it a 0?
Already refuted. By this logic this guy does not have 5D hax because he's 3D.bill 3d
Such concepts, except perhaps other concepts of this nature, are completely independent of the part of reality they govern.No, the expression of reality used on the conceptual manipulation page is entirely related to the objects governed by the concept in question.
Dude, I don't understand you, show me a 5D hax that belongs to Bill, come on, I'm waiting.Because you're arguing that it can no-sell destruction even from Higher-Dimensional destruction.
It does not work like that, Type 1 concepts are only independent from the objects with that concept, not the plane of existence they exist in.
Already refuted. By this logic this guy does not have 5D hax because he's 3D.
Being independent of universes =/= Being independent of the place where said universes exist in.Such concepts, except perhaps other concepts of this nature, are completely independent of the part of reality they govern.
Literally every single one of his. The explanation in a nutshell.show me a 5D hax that belongs to Bill, come on, I'm waiting.
there were these type 1 entities in a place where there was nothingIt does not work like that, Type 1 concepts are only independent from the objects with that concept, not the plane of existence they exist in.
where exactly is the 5d haxBeing independent of universes =/= Being independent of the place where said universes exist in.
Literally every single one of his. The explanation in a nutshell.
TLDR Bill is connected with the Rift and his powers (said in plural, btw) are said to be stronger the more the rift keeps, which would have destroyed the cosmology and was directly altering it other than physically taking the Nightmare Realm in the Multiverse.
- Reality Warping, Law Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Physics Manipulation and Empowerment (Weirdmageddon, the event that Bill caused and controls: Ford stated that Bill's power grows stronger with every minute,[2] it is considered to be an apocalypse and can possibly affect the multiverse, it can send waves of Weirdness which can make objects come to life, spawn random beings, transmute beings and objects, change the size of beings to insane degrees, bring game characters and two dimensional beings to the third dimension and several other logic breaking effects.[2] Bill states that "Meaning has no Meaning" and that "Existence is upside down", Madness Bubbles are shown to warp the shows animation by changing the very fabric of reality.[2] after the Bubble is gone he states he will rewrite the reality from any kind of law[7] and causality system[6], which is supported by his powers being used to play ping-pong with a planet and break logic all together.[7])
- Low Complex Multiverse level, possibly Hyperverse level (Caused the Dimensional Rift[2], the gate between worlds that directly connected the multiverse to the Nightmare Realm and was causing the Weirdmaggedon, getting stronger every minute due to it.[2] According to the Time Baby, if the Rift was not stopped, it would destroy the very fabric of existence[2] through flooding the multiverse[4] with the Nightmare Realm,[2] something that would be on accord with Bill´s plan of making existence without restrictions, laws[7], cause or effect.[6] Implied to sustain the Rift itself due to his death causing it to close and all of its effects being reverted shortly after.[8]
where exactly is the 5d hax
weren't you the one who told me there was a 5d haxi, I can't see a 5d hax hereDid you even read what I said? You seem like that you've skipped my thing entirely just to ask again...
Reposting since this was buriedBill's Wincons
I think these are potential wincons for Bill. Tell me if I am wrong
- Manipulation (with Social Influencing)
- Possesion
- Mind Manipulation (Yan-Sen only resists absorption of the Mind)
- Transmutation
- Petrification
- Biological Manipulation
- Madness Manipulation (In 2 different ways)
- Sleep Manipulation into Sealing
- Time SHIT
Now for Yan-Sen I cannot list 'em since I have no idea who he is, can someone from the Yan-Sen's side make a list of wincons that can be used for the debate?
I said all of the hax of his are 5D with explanations directly from his profile, I quoted the parts hinting at that, but you didn't take even a minute to reply "where's 5D hax" again.weren't you the one who told me there was a 5d haxi, I can't see a 5d hax here
On his profile, he has Concept Manip even though it's 5D, I think it can still affect Bill since he's only 3D physically, Causality, Law, and Fate manipulation with Type 4 negation, and precogReposting since this was buried
Does Yan have any answe to these?
Wait how does he negate Acasuality 4? The profile uses the same scan for causality manipulation, dont you need to affect a Acasual 4 being to get Acasual 4 Negation?On his profile, he has Concept Manip even though it's 5D, I think it can still affect Bill since he's only 3D physically, Causality, Law, and Fate manipulation with Type 4 negation, and precog
First of all, ap and hax are different concepts, you cannot say that bill has 5d hax by conveying the ap performance and it is not stated that bill has 5d hax in his profile, are you adding these yourself?I said all of the hax of his are 5D with explanations directly from his profile, I quoted the parts hinting at that, but you didn't take even a minute to reply "where's 5D hax" again.
As if you didn't even read my stuff.
Literally all his hax are part of the Weirdmageddon that is physically affecting the cosmology. His hax and AP are linked due to the very nature of those, if you bothered to actually read what I posted.First of all, ap and hax are different concepts, you cannot say that bill has 5d hax by conveying the ap performance and it is not stated that bill has 5d hax in his profile, are you adding these yourself?
I'll try to answer to the best of my capability.Reposting since this was buried
Does Yan have any answe to these?
After reading it once, I read it again but it's still not 5dLiterally all his hax are part of the Weirdmageddon that is physically affecting the cosmology. His hax and AP are linked due to the very nature of those, if you bothered to actually read what I posted.
On profile, seems like he just cut any Cause and Effect system?Wait how does he negate Acasuality 4? The profile uses the same scan for causality manipulation, dont you need to affect a Acasual 4 being to get Acasual 4 Negation?
No, thats only for MindscapePossession could work, but didn't Bill need to seal a deal to do so?
For Mind Manip, he did resist one, but weirdly enough it's not on his profile, so I suppose we can't count it?
My idea was if sealed in "Yan-Senland" Yan Sen would probably not know how he got there nor would he even want or have the will to escape a place that literally is his heaven?The Sealing part could work depending on how it's done. From what I see on his profile, it seems to be a BFR, so Yan Sen could probably use an anti-seal or just return to the normal world as he did with the God of Consciousness' universe.
Yan Sen cannot stop time according to the profile I thinkThey should both be able to stop time, so I guess it goes both way for time manip? Idk.
How is that Acasuality 4 NegationOn profile, seems like he just cut any Cause and Effect system?
How is that Acasuality 4 Negation
?Can he resist the Conceptual Aura (Catastrophe-Inducing, Overwhelming Aura & Fear-inducing Aura) when the fight starts?
(all abilities and attacks are conceptual, so he has to resist them all)
After reading it once, I read it again but it's still not 5d
Yeah, Idk why Shion mentioned it.Possession could work, but didn't Bill need to seal a deal to do so?
Snapping, though this seems thought-based.Petrification should work, I think, depend on how it is done.
Didn't know that manipulating the whole cosmology to manipulate reality and remove all laws is still 3D hax.After reading it once, I read it again but it's still not 5d
I am like... super tempted to make a RVR on this, because it's genuine trolling at this point.Bill Cipher: It's finally time for Tier 1
So, decided to make Bill's Tier 1 a reality, so... I made now a blog explaining in detail why the cosmology should be Low 1-C, possibly 1-B. Shacktron profile and Class G LS upgrade for both it and Bill ig. TLDR Bill has to be straight up 2-A at bare minimum due to the Weirdmageddon...vsbattles.com
It's accepted, shut up and make a CRT to get it rejected if you don't like it.
Idk, he wasn't petrified with the light, but a bit after.No that was done with Bill's light from his eye
A. Why are you talking to me about this?I am like... super tempted to make a RVR on this, because it's genuine trolling at this point.
Just a general complain lol.A. Why are you talking to me about this?
B. Why are you talking to me about this???
But, to actually comment on the match, Incon, IMP.
So like he can possess anyone whenever he wants? If that's the case, yeah, that seems problematic for Yan Sen.No, thats only for Mindscape
I apologize, I have Bill's profile on another tab, but there is so much stuff that I'm kinda lost.Please pay attention to the profile
Well, this is EXACTLY what happens in the manwha. Yan Sen is getting "mind manip" by some God, showing him a world of wonders, with everything he ever wanted, but since he can do everything, including creating such a world, it doesn't work and get out of the mind manip easily. Again, it's not on his profile, but I just wanted to explain.My idea was if sealed in "Yan-Senland" Yan Sen would probably not know how he got there nor would he even want or have the will to escape a place that literally is his heaven?
You're right, even tho he should have it. Eh, it happens.Yan Sen cannot stop time according to the profile I think
we are talking about their haxBill Cipher: It's finally time for Tier 1
So, decided to make Bill's Tier 1 a reality, so... I made now a blog explaining in detail why the cosmology should be Low 1-C, possibly 1-B. Shacktron profile and Class G LS upgrade for both it and Bill ig. TLDR Bill has to be straight up 2-A at bare minimum due to the Weirdmageddon...vsbattles.com
It's accepted, shut up and make a CRT to get it rejected if you don't like it.
You're right, even tho he should have it. Eh, it happens.
that CRT covers Bill's hax cochise. Stop derailing the thread and make the CRT.we are talking about their hax
Well, do you have an answer to that? If not, BillCipher will lose when the fight starts.Can he resist the Conceptual Aura (Catastrophe-Inducing, Overwhelming Aura & Fear-inducing Aura) when the fight starts?
(all abilities and attacks are conceptual, so he has to resist them all)
Honestly, I don't see many options for Yan Sen here. Just like another supporter said, maybe his aura could do the job.Tbh Bill should have resistance to time hax in general, but this ain't the thread.
Yes, it's still 3D, just like it doesn't say 5D on its profile.Didn't know that manipulating the whole cosmology to manipulate reality and remove all laws is still 3D hax.
Well like I previously said Overwhelming and Fear wont work due to Bill's natureWell, do you have an answer to that? If not, BillCipher will lose when the fight starts.