ShionAH
He/Him- 17,165
- 5,328
What?Madness hax gg
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What?Madness hax gg
As I told you, a concept that is independent of reality does not depend on reality, and in order to affect this concept, cm1 is required, and there are criteria to overcome this with an upper dimensional attack, and you are saying that you will destroy it directly.I am just using your own logic to explain the absurd result of your claim.
A concept that is at the level of reality cannot be type 1Type 1 concepts are still within a level of reality, meaning that if you destroy the whole of the 5th dimension, every concept that exists within it would be destroyed as well, as they wouldn't have a plane of existence to exist in.
He has hax like Madness, Transmutation, Subjective Reality, among other abilities to incap YanI don't think there is a way for Bill to win given what we have now, even if he does a 12-dimensional destruction it doesn't make sense because YanSen is already living in a void.
No, he has this intelligence not only in war but also outside of war.Yan Sen's profile seems to only show his intelligence in battle and techniques.
So hear me out on this would Bill be able to just manipulate him?
he's got all these things too.He has hax like Madness, Transmutation, Subjective Reality, among other abilities to incap Yan
Well its not listed on his profileNo, he has this intelligence not only in war but also outside of war.
Ok but he doesnt resist themhe's got all these things too.
this also applies to BillOk but he doesnt resist them
Yeah, it still gives Bill ways to winthis also applies to Bill
Bill resists 12D Madnessthis also applies to Bill
I don't see it in the profile.Bill resists 12D Madness
the same goes for YanSenYeah, it still gives Bill ways to win
Madness Manipulation (One peek into the Nightmare Realm drove Fiddleford briefly insane and made him poetically describe a future event; Bill lived there for 1 trillion yearsI don't see it in the profile.
Ok, so he'd survive 1-A attacks.A concept that is at the level of reality cannot be type 1
You know, I've already explained, but you're super stubborn and are literally stonewalling rn.As I told you, a concept that is independent of reality does not depend on reality, and in order to affect this concept, cm1 is required, and there are criteria to overcome this with an upper dimensional attack, and you are saying that you will destroy it directly.
The triangle Doritos with 3D hde destroyed by Stanley is blocked by Yan Sen because every ability of Yan Sen is 5 dimensional, you have to prove that it can't last at least but you still haven't done it
And I wasn’t denying thatthe same goes for YanSen
Can you tell me how Bill can win?And I wasn’t denying that
anyways can we get to the part where we discuss their first moves
Madness Hax Type 2 and 3 is an exampleCan you tell me how Bill can win?
I remember he used bubbles to do that, so I don't think it would be very effective.Madness Hax Type 2 and 3 is an example
He could spawn a bubble on Yan, along with revealing his true name or exoskeletonI remember he used bubbles to do that, so I don't think it would be very effective.
Type 1 concepts are still within a level of reality, meaning that if you destroy the whole of the 5th dimension, every concept that exists within it would be destroyed as well, as they wouldn't have a plane of existence to exist in.
Type 1 is only off being independent from universes, not planes of existence.
This is only for concepts that govern reality on a universal scale, as I said it's just a nomenclature. Not every type 1 concept has to work on a universal scale, for example there could be a concept of life that would not disappear even if all life on earth disappeared and even if this concept does not work on a universal scale it is still a type 1 concept. Likewise, the reality governed by a concept may not be limited to the universal scale and this does not make it a type 1 concept, for example, the concept of the multiverse, disappearing when the entire multiverse is destroyed is still a type 2 concept even though it is not limited to the universal scale.
No, the expression of reality used on the conceptual manipulation page is entirely related to the objects governed by the concept in question.A concept that is at the level of reality cannot be type 1
thats OOCalong with revealing his true name
Well the other options still applythats OOC
Powerscalers whenever they hear the word "concept" stop thinking rationally fsr.No, the expression of reality used on the conceptual manipulation page is entirely related to the objects governed by the concept in question.
He has AE 2 though wouldnt he revivecan Yan Sen even survive even the most basic of Bill's attacks
Right, but Bill could kill him over and over, incapacitating him.He has AE 2 though wouldnt he revive
12-dimensional space is infinite.Now that I think about it, can Yan Sen even survive even the most basic of Bill's attacks? His profile mentions a 12-D space of undefined size, while the Nightmare Realm is infinite 12-D.
This can be a problem.
TrueRight, but Bill could kill him over and over, incapacitating him.
Isn’t his madness hax only via looking at his future12-dimensional space is infinite.
All YanSen's abilities are conceptual, can BillCipher resist conceptual madnes type 3, because looking at YanSen means he will be affected by it.
They just need to look at his body.Isn’t his madness hax only via looking at his future
Proof?12-dimensional space is infinite.
Proof?
You forgot Incapacitation through killing over and over with infinitely more AP.Bill's Wincons
I think these are potential wincons for Bill. Tell me if I am wrong
- Manipulation (with Social Influencing)
- Possesion
- Mind Manipulation (Yan-Sen only resists absorption of the Mind)
- Transmutation
- Petrification
- Biological Manipulation
- Madness Manipulation (In 2 different ways)
- Sleep Manipulation into Sealing
- Time SHIT
Now for Yan-Sen I cannot list 'em since I have no idea who he is, can someone from the Yan-Sen's side make a list of wincons that can be used for the debate?
Nothing in this mentions infinite size.Yan Sen Re-evaluation CRT
Thank you for helping out. 🙏 I would appreciate staff evaluations regarding the last preceding post in this thread. 🙏vsbattles.com
If you don't believe it, go and read the 9-page thread.Nothing in this mentions infinite size.
All YanSen's abilities are conceptual, can BillCipher resist conceptual madnes type 3, because looking at YanSen means he will be affected by it.Now for Yan-Sen I cannot list 'em since I have no idea who he is, can someone from the Yan-Sen's side make a list of wincons that can be used for the debate?
You got a scan for that one? The one on the profile seems only for precog, and does he need to turn it on?They just need to look at his body.
Isn’t everything above Tier 2 suppose to be infinite sizedNow that I think about it, can Yan Sen even survive even the most basic of Bill's attacks? His profile mentions a 12-D space of undefined size, while the Nightmare Realm is infinite 12-D.
This can be a problem.