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Bill Cipher vs Urotsuki

Mindhax is too minor to grant a win.

And void manip isn't something that she would use immediately. It is however something that does activate automatically upon death, although Bill could potentially avoid it via ranging the hell out of there.
 
Best thing I see Bill doing is keeping her asleep with Dream Manipulation. Don't remember Bill being they killing type but I don't remember Gravity Falls that much.

If the Dream goes south and she blows up her own head and wake up Bill might be done for.

I'm unsure as of now.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
It is however something that does activate automatically upon death, although Bill could potentially avoid it via ranging the hell out of there.
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Meaning that simply killing her will screw up Bill. Meaning that what he does specifically will m a t t e r here.
 
Bill gets stomped by 4d people? since when? did he not one hit time baby, who is incharge of all time in the multiverse? He threatned the fabric of existance, whcih can be argued to be 5d.
 
Bill just creates a portal to the nightmare realm.

After that he either bio manips her into some monstrousity or just transmutates her.
 
Time baby is a 4D ententy. Im not sure why people claim that you have to have a trippy looking 4d body to be 4d, but time baby is 4d. You can not kill a time warper with conventional means.
 
There was a whole discussion about that, and it was throughly rejected several times. Bill is 3D, deal with it. The fact that you feel destoying the multiverse is 5D also seems... let's say weird.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
There was a whole discussion about that, and it was throughly rejected several times. Bill is 3D, deal with it. The fact that you feel destoying the multiverse is 5D also seems... let's say weird.
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The fabric of existance, not the multiverse. And where was it rejected? The official wiki page says 2-A (Therefore infinite 4d) isnt out of the question.

Edit: Not sure if this site is official, but you get the point.
 
@Ricsi Urotsuki has 2-C range teleporting and is considered "dead" when transmutated too hard. Plus her own transformation is thought-activated, so it would work regardless of the state her body in (as long as she's conscious).
 
M4d30fInfiniteS0rr0w said:
Also, threatening the fabric of existance is 5d.
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No.

It's Low 2-C, since there is absolitly zero reason to assume it was referring to all of the multiverse. Even then, it's at best 2-A.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
@Ricsi Urotsuki has 2-C range teleporting and is considered "dead" when transmutated too hard. Plus her own transformation is thought-activated, so it would work regardless of the state her body in (as long as she's conscious).
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Highly doubting she can transmutate 2D stuff, and Bills body can be easily remade.
 
M4d30fInfiniteS0rr0w said:
Are you using weird maggedon? also who says bill dies if they wake up in the dream?
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The fact that Urotsuki erases the dream world when she wakes up. Read the profiles.

And weirdmageddon isn't really a factor.
 
No, I mean Urotsuki's been transmutated before, and it caused her to wake up, so it's not a valid mean of incap here.
 
Is the dream world a confirmed multiverse? also, bill has dealt with dream hax before such as agaisnt dipper. The idea that he cant just kill her real body like he would of stan, or simply leave the dream world, is really false. Whats stopping him from leaving dream reality?
 
The thing is that in this situation, Uro's dream isn't a literal dream like in GF. It's considered like the real world, so actual dream manip has no place here (outside of making people fall asleep).
 
Bill can still hop multiverses and is a time hopper, as shown in the show. He possesed a time officer who lives in the future, so he isnt bound by time, and he can hop realities, as hes done it at least 3 times (He destroyed his origin dimension, lived in the nightmare world, and came to the main gf world). And unless the dream is a confirmed infinite multiverse, bill can easily leave.
 
No one's saying Bill can't possibly survive. Just that he will likely cause her to blow up in his face before he can.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
No, I mean Urotsuki's been transmutated before, and it caused her to wake up, so it's not a valid mean of incap here.
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Standard transmutation means transforming one molecules into another, and causes death. With Bill Cipher it works diffrently. It isn't seen as well when people are changed into stones or gold, but when they are changed into tapestry. It uses reality warping sustained by Bill himself (because without him everything returns back to normal), and doesn't cause physical death, only suspension. In case of tapestry people are basically sealed in a 2-D timeless world. Therefore I belive it would work.
 
It doesn't matter. If Bill gets erased in a single universe he dies.

@Szmiit

Transmutation doesn't have a "standard" way of being used. Unless Bill's has special properties beyond usual transmutation, it shouldn't change much.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
It doesn't matter. If Bill gets erased in a single universe he dies.

@Szmiit

Transmutation doesn't have a "standard" way of being used. Unless Bill's has special properties beyond usual transmutation, it shouldn't change much.
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If you see a character that can without explanation transform one material into another you assume that he can affect matter on molecular level, not warp reality, stop time and seal souls. Bill's transmutation seems to be based on exactly that, especially considering his orgin. Unless the thing that does transmutation has reality warping, the resistance shouldn't scale.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
It doesn't matter. If Bill gets erased in a single universe he dies.
@Szmiit

Transmutation doesn't have a "standard" way of being used. Unless Bill's has special properties beyond usual transmutation, it shouldn't change much.
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He can survive a universal erasure, as he survived his og verse being destroyed and killed time baby. And he can just leave when it collapses.
 
@Szmilt The way it's done honestly doesn't matter, if the end result is the same. Either your molecules are re-arranged or they get replaced entirely. Both of which would lead to death under normal circumstances.

Also I've seen nothing that proves the whole stopping time and soul sealing deal. It's not on his profile and the source for his transmutation doesn't prove it either.

@M4D30 As Shadow said, destroyed =/= erased. And no, he can't escape it as it's "collapsing", because it doesn't collapse. It gets erased.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
@Szmilt The way it's done honestly doesn't matter, if the end result is the same. Either your molecules are re-arranged or they get replaced entirely. Both of which would lead to death under normal circumstances.
Also I've seen nothing that proves the whole stopping time and soul sealing deal. It's not on his profile and the source for his transmutation doesn't prove it either.

@M4D30 As Shadow said, destroyed =/= erased. And no, he can't escape it as it's "collapsing", because it doesn't collapse. It gets erased.
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But with immesurable reaction, time hax, and the fact he just has to make 1 portal, he can. and also, it doesnt matter if its "erased", bill is still above universal.
 
>Immeasurable reaction

He doesn't

>Time hax

Doesn't help against something that blitzes

>The fact he has to make 1 portal

See above.

Also Bill isn't above Universal. His dura is Low 2-C at best and Urotsuki's 2-C, even without the fact that her 2-C is hax

Seriously, stop bringing up stuff that isn't on his profile.
 
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