Bill Cipher takes on another iconic one eyed villain.

[GyroNutz]

Pretty sure we assume a 4-D being (physically) has 4-D hax, unless shown otherwise.

For a 3-D character with 4-D AP, like Beerus, it'd have to be proven that hakai is 4D.

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

@Gyro

Same with Bill's mindhax. It'd have to be proven that he mindhaxed a 4-D being

 

[GyroNutz]

If Bill is physically 3-D, then yes

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

@Gyro

Bill is physically 3-D, yes. But even if he's physically 4-D, it still needs to be proven that it works on 4D beings. Like Mxy's plothax over there. His plot doesn't work on 5D beings.

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

And please people, we all watched Gravity Falls already. And it's quite obvious that Bill is a 3D with 4D powers.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Difference is a 4D mind is infinitely more complex than a 3D mind.

It makes sense that a 3D has to prove that his mind hax would have to work on a 4D being, because of what I just stated above.

But a physically 4D being would understand how another 4D mind works, so their mind hax would work on them if the other 4D being has no resistance to it, even if they never mind haxxed another 4D being.

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

@Shadow

Too bad Bill is physically 3D and he never mindhaxed a 4D being.

And I just gave you example of higher-dimensional being with lower-dimensional haxes.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

A hax shouldn't be assumed to be lower-dimensional unless proven otherwise.

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

Then I just proved that Bill's mindhax isn't 4D.

 

[DMB_1]

Why are you guys still debating for a hax that Ricsi said that it wouldn't be very useful for this scenario and that he doesn't use that often in the first place?

Why do all Bill thread end up like this...

Besides, from what I'm seeing, Sauron may very well be a full on 4D being.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Since Bill never fought a 4D being, do you think all of his hax is useless against 4Ds?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

• Cough* time baby *Cough*

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

*Cough* time baby *Cough*

3D with 4D powers *cough*

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

Besides, from what I'm seeing, Sauron may very well be a full on 4D being.

He is a 4D being

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

Since Bill never fought a 4D being, do you think all of his hax is useless against 4Ds?

Anything that's 4D will work.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Which are?

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

There are tons. You can just look at the profile and you know.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I know his abilities. What I'm asking is what you think would work on 4D beings.

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

Sorry. He has stuffs like: Higher-Dimensional Manipulation, Math Manip, BFR, etc.

 

[TheArsenal1212]

Bump

 

[QrowBarr]

What does his HD Manipulation do exactly? Has he used these in combat?

 

[DMB_1]

I believe that Bill's Higher Dimensional Manipulation was supposed to be removed one he got downgraded from High 1-C to 2-A, though I'm not totally sure.

 

[QrowBarr]

It was removed, but was re-added there for some reason.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

It's there because he has 4D powers with a 3D body.

 

[DMB_1]

It's there because he has 4D powers with a 3D body.

We give Higher Dimensional Manipulation only to characters who can manipulate 5D or higher dimension, otherwise every time user would have it.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Yeah, IDK why he has higher D manip

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

So Bill should have his removed.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Higher Dimensional Manipulation is the ability to manipulate greater spatial and temporal dimensions than 3-D space, such as 4-D space and above.

 

[DMB_1]

And somehow he's still listed as an example of higher dimensional manipulation in its page.

 

[DMB_1]

Higher Dimensional Manipulation is the ability to manipulate greater spatial and temporal dimensions than 3-D space, such as 4-D space and above.

I don't think we treat it like that anymore, unsless the 4th dimension ins't actually Time in-verse.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Stellaris has a 4-D object that isn't time, just a fourth spatial dimension

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

The page would be needed to be changed then, removing abilities befire their page is changed accordingly isn't something that is done.

 

[DMB_1]

So, what can Bill do against Sauron, again?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Bill can't kill him

Causality manipulation, mind manipulation, or putting him in eternal sleep should work though

 

[DMB_1]

Causality Manipulation won't work on someone who exist on a plane superior to time itself.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

What about mind manipulation?

 

[DMB_1]

Maybe? I don't know enough about Sauron, but as far as I know, Bill's mind hax isn't that potent.

 

[TheArsenal1212]

I mean, if Bill figures out he can't kill him he could just make Sauron his own pocket dimension like he did with Mabel

 

[DMB_1]

How does he do that? Because htere's a bit of a differnece between caturing a child and the higher dimensional embodiment of a part of the univrese.

Also, if he gets BFR'd, what would stop Sauron from just blowing up the dimension?

 

[TheArsenal1212]

True but I see no resistance to it on Sauron's page, plus it's very much in character for Bill to do, especially if he couldn't kill the guy

He might, but then how does he come back. Bill BFR'd Mabel because he knew Dipper would go for her. With Sauron he could just send him into his own pocket dimension completely away from the battlefield with his multiversal range