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Planetary ranged Mind incap hax >
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Overlord (Ninjago) vs. Bill Cipher (Gravity Falls)
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He needs to get his hand to head which is slower than snap-based, let alone thought-based abilities
Also show Overlord being able to interact with NEP Mind
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Do not bother with us Bill Cipher opps, we cannot read.
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His Dark Matter was capable of affecting Clouse, who is a ghost
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Clouse is intangible. Bill’s mind is non-existent.
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Overlord himself has NEP. Why wouldn't he be able to interact with Bill?
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There are different types of NPI btw. It's not all under one umbrella just because you have one variant of it.
I'm neutral for now atm, but leaning towards Bill.
I'm neutral for now atm, but leaning towards Bill.
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All this arguing for Low 1-C just for some random 10-C you probably never heard of from a tabletop game you don't care about to solo both
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Random 10-C char get outhaxed and enslaved by Overlord
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Whom are you referring to ?
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Some Warhammer character?
Because having NEP Soul does not mean you can mind hax NEP Mind?
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Random 10-C char get outhaxed and enslaved by Overlord
Lord Kroak
Lord Kroak is the oldest member of the Slaan. An ancient race, created by the hyper-intelligent Old ones. He was taught how to utilise the Winds of Magic by them allowing Kroak to cast spells with a flick of his wrist, or a mere thought that would take other mages long and complex incantations...
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Behold, the fat undead frog that when he died, he decided not to!(behold, 1-A hax on EVERYTHING)
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Lord Kroak
Lord Kroak is the oldest member of the Slaan. An ancient race, created by the hyper-intelligent Old ones. He was taught how to utilise the Winds of Magic by them allowing Kroak to cast spells with a flick of his wrist, or a mere thought that would take other mages long and complex incantations...
Watch me having Precognition fr fr
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GoatLord Kroak
Lord Kroak is the oldest member of the Slaan. An ancient race, created by the hyper-intelligent Old ones. He was taught how to utilise the Winds of Magic by them allowing Kroak to cast spells with a flick of his wrist, or a mere thought that would take other mages long and complex incantations...
Behold, the fat undead frog that when he died, he decided not to!(behold, 1-A hax on EVERYTHING)
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Being a NEP guarantee you the NPI to other's NEP, just the NEP, not the aspect.
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Isn’t overlord a type 1 concept…if not then bill wins
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That applies only to his spirit form. He is the evil itself in that form but Golden Master is kinda like his vessel.
CodeCCLL
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It doesn't matter. Bill don't need to completely destroy to defeat The Overlord, if him vessel is destroyed, will be stuck outside of reality.
In fact, the same goes to some extent for Bill, who is significantly out of combat if his physical body is destroyed.
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Overlord_Darkness
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So to win one of them must destroy his opponent physical form as fast as possible.
Just realized Crystal King form immune to petrification. shit...
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He technically will come back after many decades but that’s still incap aka a victory. Also I’m pretty sure he can’t do anything if he gets transmuted or smth like that.
No. He has Low-Godly Regen on profile for a reason.
Low-Godly.
I tried it, it was rejected by Mr. Bambu because it was not really a petrification.
CodeCCLL
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Okey... I didn't know that Bill creating a physical body for himself with Weirdmageddon was considered a regeneration ability. But still Bill's eye takes some time to regenerate, if his physical body is constantly destroyed Bill may lose matches via incap. I personally don't think the Overlord can do this, but an option is an option.
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Bill had 0 issues creating his body from 0, and the eye still took Max 10 seconds to regenerate compared to the other parts of his body which instead are instantaneous. Aka that applies in the case only his eye is targeted, complete body destruction instead is a non issue for Bill.
I'm planning to point it out in the upcoming CRT in an updated Weakness section, because it's tiring to hear it for the n-th time tbh.
CodeCCLL
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What makes you think Bill created his physical form instantly? It already take more than 10 seconds for Bill to create a full physical form for himself.
ShionAH
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Maybe because we literally see him create a physical form on screen in around 9 seconds? You know when his flesh and physical matter appear as he exclaims "Physical Form? Don't mind if I do!"
You ever thought of that?
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If I was never involved in powerscaling I probably would never understand that tbh
I mean, in theory, if his entire body gets destroyed, he just recreates a new one. That’s the thing.
Nah, destroying his eye would only win some time, it would not result in incap.
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CodeCCLL
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I specifically used the word "full" to avoid get an answer like this, but apparently it didn't work.
We can go into the details, no problem, but my point doesn't change one way or another, Bill obsivously takes a while to create his physical body (definitely not instantly). Although it's not a big deal here, it's not even a bit issue for a character who can perform quick AOE attacks.
ShionAH
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Its 9 Seconds and at worst 30 Seconds
Apparently you lost your concept of time, 20 seconds is not a "while". Try again
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This is more of a Body Control thingy so he just changed his color from black to yellow
Anyways back to why it is a stomp
99% of Bill’s abilities are crucial to Overlord and are either snap-based, thought-based or just very fast
99% of Overlord’s abilities are slower than Bill’s and have a physical attack that needs to reach and Bill either resists it or it’s simply NBD overall
So yeah it is a stomp
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ShionAH
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Cannot believe you didn't just lose the concept of time, but the concept of context. I hope you recover soon
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He has CM on all his form wdym?
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ShionAH
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Nice try, here let me walk you through.
You said Bill needs a while to regenerate and then said he needs more than ten seconds
Hope this helps with understanding basic concepts such as time and context based replies.
You said Bill needs a while to regenerate and then said he needs more than ten seconds
My reply stated that Bill only need 9 seconds to create a body, additionally I showed that even if we make a stupid claim and take the lowest possible end it is still around 20 to 30 seconds. Which was supposed to show even if we take the worst route possible your argument is still wrong.
Hope this helps with understanding basic concepts such as time and context based replies.
Overlord_Darkness
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Destroy physical form and CM Type 1 on all of existence. Bill is cooked, even 9 sec is enough to GP and Darkness attack on the Balance
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He was talking about the fact that Overlord is evil itself, not CM I think
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Yeah this is the only Overlord’s wincon and it is not even in-character for his Golden Master form AT ALL, and you can’t prove it’s faster than Bill’s thought-based and snap-based hax, or Dura Neg ray
Stomp
Overlord_Darkness
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Dura Neg ray is an attack. GM has Attack Reflection so dura neg ray sucks and kills Bill's body instead
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I don’t think it’s really a ray, he just targeted Time Baby
Also Attack Reflection is something Overlord never used in defense. Being bloodlusted isn’t using your abilities perfectly.
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