Bill Cipher takes on another iconic one eyed villain.

[TheArsenal1212]

Both at High 3A

Speed Equalised

Takes place in Middle Earth

Bill Cipher: 0

Sauro: 0

Inconclusive: 0

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Sauron honestly he has conceptual manipulation as much as I love bill

 

[TheArsenal1212]

Sharon's concept Manip isn't really combat applicable.

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

Isn't Sauron borderline haxless in his High 3-A form? Or his true form includes all the haxes from his 6-B form?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Bill can mind control him and call it a day.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

if he is haxless then i vote bill

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

Bill can mind control him and call it a day.

Does it work on 4D beings?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Bill never interacted with other 4D beings though I don't see why not if they don't have resistance to it.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Well, time baby.

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

If he never interacted with 4D beings then it won't work. It's like saying 3D haxes work on higher-dimensional beings.

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

Well, time baby.

Time baby is a 3D with 4D powers

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Bill is a 4D High 3-A.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

i still think ford calling him higher dimensional and bill saying multi-dimensional makeover hints at him being 4-D

but he has 4-D hax anyway so it should work

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

Bill is a 4D High 3-A.

Yes, he's a 3D with 4D powers and doesn't have a 4D body.

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

but he has 4-D hax anyway so it should work

He never mindhaxed 4D beings

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

yeah but his hax is still 4-D

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

Sorry, I thought you were talking about his mindhax, in that case it won't work. Everything else should work just fine.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

well his rediculous mount of hax should work

(still think bill is physically 4-D with what i said above OvO)

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

but he has 4-D hax anyway so it should work

He never mindhaxed 4D beings

Why do you assume his mind hax would not work on 4D beings when he has 4D powers?

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

He has 4D powers doesn't mean every haxes he has are 4D. He never mindhaxed a 4D being. I've watched Gravity Falls.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

If Bill was physically 4D himself would you say the mind hax would work?

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

Too bad Bill is 3D physically.

Even if he's 4D physically, you still need proofs that his mindhax works. For example, Mxy's plothax doesn't work on 5D beings, even though he's 5D

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

That's because with Mxy it's shown not to work no?

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

That's because with Mxy it's shown not to work no?

Where are you getting at? Mxy's plothax never shown to work on 5D beings, same with Bill's mindhax (which never shown to work on 4D beings)

If you want to say Bill's mindhax works on 4D beings, you'll have to give me proofs/scans.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

What am I getting at? That having higher dimensional powers means you should be able to affect higher dimensional beings that don't have a resistance to it.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Changing vote to Bill FRA

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

lls mindhax is useless here. It drives people mad, needs physical contact and works completly causually. It could buff enemies fo rall that it matters.

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

What am I getting at? That having higher dimensional powers means you should be able to affect higher dimensional beings that don't have a resistance to it.

Having higher-dimensional powers doesn't automatically give you higher-dimensional haxes. I just gave example upthere. You need to prove that Bill's mindhax works on 4D beings. Otherwise, you're not getting anywhere.

 

[DMB_1]

Isn't Sauron borderline haxless in his High 3-A form? Or his true form includes all the haxes from his 6-B form?

I believe that it's just the creator of the profile not putting "all previous abilities but greatly enhanced" on his las key. Since there are many other High 3-A characters form his verse like him (that he apparently fights), I very much doubt your point to be true.

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

@DMB

Alright, thanks. I'm just asking if he does include all the previous abilities. Looks like he does.

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

What am I getting at? That having higher dimensional powers means you should be able to affect higher dimensional beings that don't have a resistance to it.

I can give you another example of higher-dimensional powers that doesn't have higher-dimensional haxes. Dragon Ball is a very example.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

but that's dragon ball...

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

@Totallynotchewbacca

So is Bill's mindhax. He never mindhaxed a higher-dimensional being.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I can give you another example of higher-dimensional powers that doesn't have higher-dimensional haxes. Dragon Ball is a very example.

Because Dragon Ball has no hax.

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

I'm talking about that hakai that Beerus have. Beerus himself is Low 2-C, but his hakai never erased a 4D being. I never even said anything about the verse being haxless (which it is)

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Hakai won't work on anyone stronger than Beerus.

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

You don't understand it don't you? For example, I'm putting him against a High 3-A that's a 4D being and has no resistance to EE. Beerus's hakai won't even work because it never shown to work on 4D beings. It isn't necessary for the opponent to be stronger than Beerus, as long as they are 4D, hakai won't work.

I would appreciate it if you read everything I said carefully.

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

Bump

 

[QrowBarr]

How isn't it combat applicable? Aren't the Ainur like, capable of changing concepts? Or is it just Valar only?

 

[TheArsenal1212]

Because they have never used it in a battling sense. They used it dor the creeation of middle earth rather than anything else