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The feats section didEficiente said:
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Bill Cipher, reddit and his feats section
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Low Godly is legit
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I made a discussion thread for WoG here: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2156477
So feel free to discuss about what to accept and what not accept in there please
So feel free to discuss about what to accept and what not accept in there please
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Well, since most agreed to remove only stuff that is contradictory, I will summerize in a bit,
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"All Time-See": Infinite possibilities precog, he wouldstill have precog, but this would also downgrade his inteligence to extraordinary genious for understanding 5D tecnology capable of breaching dimensions. This also counters the Stat amp to an extent.
Math Manip: Being in a quantum state doesn't make him manipulate math.
Enchanted sense also have the alternate timelines removed from them.
I would remove the "removed the teeth of a deer", as this was done in a dream. He has it, but the other justifications are better.
Stuff in the feat section that should be changed is on the OP
And his victories, as lacking the precog changes a lot.
The Vecna one can stay, as he resisted most of the stuff anyways and probability manip made knowing what happens somewhat useless as is.
Demiurge resisted it due to existing outside of time.
Cronus was accasual as well
In the Thanos fight it was assumed only the perpetually increasing inteligence was accepted (my bad), so it should be able to stay.
Monika's fight should be removed, as without knowing what she will do he is going to have many problems with not starting with his best stuff.
That is about it.
Math Manip: Being in a quantum state doesn't make him manipulate math.
Enchanted sense also have the alternate timelines removed from them.
I would remove the "removed the teeth of a deer", as this was done in a dream. He has it, but the other justifications are better.
Stuff in the feat section that should be changed is on the OP
And his victories, as lacking the precog changes a lot.
The Vecna one can stay, as he resisted most of the stuff anyways and probability manip made knowing what happens somewhat useless as is.
Demiurge resisted it due to existing outside of time.
Cronus was accasual as well
In the Thanos fight it was assumed only the perpetually increasing inteligence was accepted (my bad), so it should be able to stay.
Monika's fight should be removed, as without knowing what she will do he is going to have many problems with not starting with his best stuff.
That is about it.
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Abilities:
Precognition (Foresaw the future and predicted exactly what Dipper was about to do in the next few seconds just before he wakes up. Claims to be able to see the future. Asked Soos if he wanted to hear the exact time and date of his death)
Should have the "Claims to be able to see the future" removed
Enhanced Senses (Cross-universal awareness as Bill is capable of viewing different realities via "All-Time Sense" which allows him to perceive & have knowledge of infinite timelines/dimensions, and has knowledge of the past, present, and future. Knows that inanimate objects have feelings too)
Should be changed to: Enhanced Senses (has knowledge of the past, present, and future. Knows that inanimate objects have feelings too, can see through paintings and rapresentations of himself)
Mathematics Manipulation & Quantum Manipulation should have Math removed
"Limited Statistics Amplification via Intelligence Enhancement from "All-time sense"" Should be removed
Feats:
-Froze time when speaking with Gideo. should be removed
Pulled a deer's teeth from its mouth with a gesture of his hand
Should be removed
Ripped out Dipper's soul and possessed his body should have "by making a deal" added
His acquiring of a physical form and entrance into the universe caused many of its natural laws to be destroyed or distorted .
should be removed
Turned Ford into a statue with a glare and used him as a backscratcher
Should have Turned Ford into a statue with a laser and used him as a backscratcter
Precognition (Foresaw the future and predicted exactly what Dipper was about to do in the next few seconds just before he wakes up. Claims to be able to see the future. Asked Soos if he wanted to hear the exact time and date of his death)
Should have the "Claims to be able to see the future" removed
Enhanced Senses (Cross-universal awareness as Bill is capable of viewing different realities via "All-Time Sense" which allows him to perceive & have knowledge of infinite timelines/dimensions, and has knowledge of the past, present, and future. Knows that inanimate objects have feelings too)
Should be changed to: Enhanced Senses (has knowledge of the past, present, and future. Knows that inanimate objects have feelings too, can see through paintings and rapresentations of himself)
Mathematics Manipulation & Quantum Manipulation should have Math removed
"Limited Statistics Amplification via Intelligence Enhancement from "All-time sense"" Should be removed
Feats:
-Froze time when speaking with Gideo. should be removed
Pulled a deer's teeth from its mouth with a gesture of his hand
Should be removed
Ripped out Dipper's soul and possessed his body should have "by making a deal" added
His acquiring of a physical form and entrance into the universe caused many of its natural laws to be destroyed or distorted .
should be removed
Turned Ford into a statue with a glare and used him as a backscratcher
Should have Turned Ford into a statue with a laser and used him as a backscratcter
- Due to regaining his physical form after being hit by Quantum Destabilizer, a durability-bypassing weapon, and having an eye with slow Regenerationn will not restrict his regen from having Low-Godly as it is likely PIS.
- Due to recreating his body from his mindscapers form he should be able to do so again if it were to be destroyed, and having an eye with slow Regenerationn will not restrict his regen from having Low-Godly.
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He ripped dipper's soul out of his body before he actually entered the world
While not directly demonstrated, he likely could do it with ease without deals after he entered the world.
While not directly demonstrated, he likely could do it with ease without deals after he entered the world.
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Hmmm... Maybe "His soul manipulation is possibly unrestriced when he aquires physical form, but this is unclear"
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Because he required deals to do anything before he entered the physical world, but once he did he didn't need deals to do anything
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If you opened it, I could do so.
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That is not the reason, at all.Eficiente said:
We are saying that secondary canon contradicts the min canon, so we are refusing that.
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That is a very poor argument. Only because it can be inconsistent, it doesn't mean we will take every source no even if contradictory. There are several contradictions in Naruto, we still won't take the stupid stuff in the guidelinesEficiente said:
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One isn't written by Kishimoto. The other is written by Hirsch.
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It is still secondary, and still contradictory.The real cal howard said:
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I'm sure you can write down what reason is why you disagree with t. The show containing other contradictions is a poor reason for that.Eficiente said:
As it was said above, if contradictory, sources outside of the primary canon are simply ignored. This is true for all verses.
If a contradictory statement from outsidse the maincanon was used for a verse, it should be remved there, not used here
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If you guys could come to the discussion of WoG on my thread above and discuss it there, then it would be nice ƒæǃæǃæǃæǃæÇ
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I am doing that because it is.Eficiente said:
We plain ignore stuff that contradicts the main canon, especially when it's WoG like this. That is a standard we have.
When a statement from a character, guidebook, or even word of god contradicts what occurs in the series, they won't be used. For example, if an author says that a character from his work is incapable of shattering planets, even though it has destroyed galaxies on-screen, we will always go with the latter, rather than the former. The statement need to be consistent with what has been revealed within the fictional franchise itself. Otherwise, it will be considered invalid.
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What..?Eficiente said:
What other points? Your two main ones were that there are many contradictions, which does not excuse using this, and that he already has shown precog, which (as I already said above) doesn't make it an yless contradictory.
He showed to be able to see the future, not infinite possibilities. Taking this inmflates the ability to the point that it becomes a plot hole, which is why it's inconsistent.
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Excuse me? It is still not the main canon.Eficiente said:
The rule I just gave you was specifically made and is used on creatsors answers.
Do you actually have an argument beyond this beyong kinda more canon? Because if not than I'll simply ask Ant to open it as more people agreed with the upgrade and our standards agree with it as well
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Again, this argument is poor as it is.Eficiente said:
But it could also be, you know, that he's precog isn't that good?
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That rule doesn't cover everything, which is why no one is able to give an example of secondary canon being contradicted without being a quite remarkable false equivalence.
Again, this argument is poor as it is.
But it could also be, you know, that he's precog isn't that good?
You claimed "Taking the ability to the point that it becomes a plot hole" which is false, but it being false is a poor argument? What?
And no, his precog was pretty good.
Again, this argument is poor as it is.
But it could also be, you know, that he's precog isn't that good?
You claimed "Taking the ability to the point that it becomes a plot hole" which is false, but it being false is a poor argument? What?
And no, his precog was pretty good.
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That rule doesn't cover everything, which is why no one is able to give an example of secondary canon being contradicted without being a quite remarkable false equivalence
What? The rule was specificly made for this stuff, and Ant actually qouted this in discussions about WoG and Q&A's.
And do I need to point out every time Bill did not predict all possibilities?
You claimed "Taking the ability to the point that it becomes a plot hole" which is false, but it being false is a poor argument? What?
How is it false? How is Bill being able to predict all possible realities false?
And I said claiming that there already are plotholes, so we can accept secondary canon that contradicts stuff is bad argument, which it is.
And no, his precog was pretty good.
Not really. He showed to lack knowledge on nearly all the important stuff. The best he showed is being able to see some random stuff in the future, not infinite goddamn possibilities
What? The rule was specificly made for this stuff, and Ant actually qouted this in discussions about WoG and Q&A's.
And do I need to point out every time Bill did not predict all possibilities?
You claimed "Taking the ability to the point that it becomes a plot hole" which is false, but it being false is a poor argument? What?
How is it false? How is Bill being able to predict all possible realities false?
And I said claiming that there already are plotholes, so we can accept secondary canon that contradicts stuff is bad argument, which it is.
And no, his precog was pretty good.
Not really. He showed to lack knowledge on nearly all the important stuff. The best he showed is being able to see some random stuff in the future, not infinite goddamn possibilities
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Then you, or anybody, try to give an example of something that is actually comparable to this.
>"How is it false?"
>"Not really. He showed to lack knowledge on nearly all the important stuff. The best he showed is being able to see some random stuff in the future"
He knows when the death of two main characters will happen and that it is not caused by him biting the planet or something like that, that is a plot hole in the show.
>"How is it false?"
>"Not really. He showed to lack knowledge on nearly all the important stuff. The best he showed is being able to see some random stuff in the future"
He knows when the death of two main characters will happen and that it is not caused by him biting the planet or something like that, that is a plot hole in the show.
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