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Bill Cipher, reddit and his feats section

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Ricsi-viragosi said:
DMB, what do you think, should all reddit abilities go?
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If there's nothing in the show that backs them up, or even worse, it contradicts them, they should probably go, also due to their already jokey and vague nature.
 
if you are refereing to the first part then yes and even if it isn't shown word of god again as long as there are no contradictions

also second part i was refering to the cherry picky thing and it being inapplicable
 
DMB 1 said:
If there's nothing in the show that backs them up, they should probably go, also due to their already jokey and vague nature.
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There is this random thing about bill being in a quantum state where he is everything he isn't, for exemple
 
You could argue it as being a possibility, but it's not going to be Nonexistent Physiology or anything like that. Besides, as I said, due to the jokey nature of that Reddit thing, it's difficult determining how seriously you should take it, especially because of contradictions.
 
A handful of potential debunks:

  • Firstly, the common one, Weirdmageddon is rife with PIS.
  • Bill actively shows precog in the show. Heck, the precog he shows is contradicted in Weirdmageddon, as he knows how long each of them will live, which means he should know that they make it past that event.
  • Bill was restricted in Gravity Falls and didn't have complete access to everything he has in the Nightmare Realm.
  • This wasn't some random intern or staff member writing the AMA for Bill. It was Alex Hirsch, the creator of the show. It's essentially WoG.
  • Bill wasn't simply saying "yeah sure", or "I can do _____". For the things that I wanted added (emphasis on I, as anything else that was too vague from that shouldn't have been added once I stopped responding to the thread), Bill elaborates enough to justify having those powers to the level I gave. Not to mention that the precog and nigh-omniscience is by far the most known ability of Bill's.
  • The contradictory thing is taken too far, as the rule posted by Risci would invalidate not only this or guidebooks, but any statement that's a bit contradicted. It says "statement, guidebook, or WoG." Not just WoG. Take both, Pokemon and Digimon, along with many other verses, and you'd see how many things aren't shown, only told. This isn't different.
 
Totallynotchewbacca said:
also a bit off topic but does transcending and being able to control something through that assenscion mean that character has conceptual manip
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No, it doesn't.
 
I have reapeated that there being PiS doesn't escuse it.

I also already said that showing precog doesn't mean that a statement that overblows its power to hell and back can be accepted.

This was done by dreamscapers, and should have shown him it regardless.

Most WoG is done by the creator. Hardly see how it changes things. It still falls under the rule.

It is still contradictory, even if exained.

As I already said, if there is a verse you know that relies on contradictory secondary canon, it should be removed. The reason why I consider not adding the reddit stuff is because most of it goes against canon, enough so that thw whole thing loses validity.


Pretty much all of your point were already argued dude...
 
If PIS doesn't excuse it, remove literally all of Bill's abilities besides superhuman physical characteristics, as all of them, bar none, were subjected to PIS.

Just because you said it doesn't make it true. Granted, the same can be said for me.

You lost me there...

There's a heck of a lot of WoG that's not done by the creator of the show. Most things rely on a studio.

This is literally the only thing that goes "against" canon, as you say. Hell, it's incredibly easy to justify by saying it's active, not passive. Bill's incredible sight isn't mentioned once in the AMA, not twice, but all throughout. As I said above, a bit of it foreshadows events in season 2. The AMA came out between seasons 1 and 2. Bill's literally had one instance of screen time since then. Yet it alludes to the series FINALE in Bill achieving physical form, his hatred of Time Baby, and disassembling Time Baby's molecules once he gets the chance. And Bill's first instance of his existence comes from secondary canon in the form of the online game Rumble's Revenge.
 
Flase equivalency dude. Pis doesn't excuse powers from secondary canon, this was reapeted far too many times already.

I am claiming that only because he has precog, it doesn't mean we will allow 2-A precog despute plotholes that it creates.

Doesn't really matter who says it. If it contradicts the main canon it won't be counted.

Furst of all, even if it is mentioned multiple times, it won't become less contradictory. Secondly, there is difference with predicting some stuff and having the ability to see all possibilities (and I repeated it too many time that using 2-A precog once already ruins the plot), and third, weren't most of those things goals? He wanted to achieve a body, atomize the baby and all that stuff, but him being sure that it happens doesn't make him knowing every possible outcome realistic at all.
 
I do not remember which Reddit claims that contradicted the show itself, but we have that rule for good reasons, and agreed it after staff discussion as far as I remember, so we cannot just ignore it.
 
@Ant Those who are in favor of the powers staying are aware of that rule.
 
And yet, what was your come back to it? Legimate question. Saying that there are already plotholes does not invalidate the rule in any way.
 
@Ricsi-viragosi One of the many points Cal and I told you, but you still decide to ignore them.
 
Eficiente said:
@Ricsi-viragosi One of the many points Cal and I told you, but you still decide to ignore them.
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I responded to each, several times.

But just for arguments sake, quote it.
 
Perhaps it would be best to re-lock the Bill Cipher profile until you have reached a decision?

I will unsubscribe to this thread. You can place a note on my message wall when you are finished.
 
@Ricsi-viragosi So I guess your response to some points were just to repeat how it contradicts the main canon?
 
Again, qoute the point. Without context to what are you talking about, it's not really a good argument.

Our policy is that WoG isn't accepted if contradictory.

Prove that it is not contradictory, or make a crt to change the policy
 
>Our policy is that WoG isn't accepted if contradictory.

>Prove that it is not contradictory

Yeah it's such a bad argument that you just prove my point.
 
What? Did you not read the not?

Prove that it is not contradictory, and only then it can be added.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
What? Did you not read the not?

Prove that it is not contradictory, and only then it can be added.
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Are you even paying attention? We all know that it contradicts the show and that rule, how many times are you going to act as if this weren't the case? You're just wasting our time with that attitude.
 
A bit? Do you ralize that every plot point is ruined by it?

Ant himslef said we cannot ignore the rule. So you either find a way to fit into the rule, or not, and stop arguing.
 
>"Do you ralize that every plot point is ruined by it?"

You probably think that I don't, which is why you keep saying this as something new. If it makes you happy to repeat that over and over then good for you.

>"and stop arguing."

10/10
 
Way to take it out of context.

You highlighted cal saying that it's "a bit contradicted" as if it would help your case.

Again, out of context. I told you to abide to the rules and argue that way, or not argue at all.


So, do you have any argument that doesn't break it?
 
>"if it would help your case"

You can see what you want.

>"do you have any argument that doesn't break it?"

Idk do you have any argument that doesn't involve the rule or how it contradicts the canon? Because all the arguments given are in your opinion instantly useless due to that, which is what "my side" disagrees.
 
Idk do you have any argument that doesn't involve the rule or how it contradicts the canon?

Really?

Are you... I don't need to have other reasonings beyond a goddamn rule. You have to prove my claim false for me to need another argument.

This is a rule. If you don't like it, make a crt about that. Ant has said that the rule can't be ignored, so do you have an argument that respects the rules? If not I will aply the changes
 
I don't need to as we already ignore that rule to allow characters to have inconsistencies. Which we already told you.
 
I answered that too!

If they have, they broke the rules and it should be removed, that's it.
 
Since the profile has been edited and this thread does not seem to be going anywhere, I will close it.
 
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