Bill Cipher, reddit and his feats section

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I don't think you understand, do you?

He would have 2-A precog. That means he sees every possible reality. That means that he would have known litiraly everything. Every action dipper and co. would've taken, known how to break the barrier around gravity falls, that his mabelland would have not worked, everything

 

[Eficiente]

No sh*t it contradicts the show.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Yeah.

Which is why it'll get removed.

Because in canon, the potency of precog is never cleared up, so it's simply nt potent enough to predict everything.

 

[TheArsenal1212]

Isn't this just inconsistencies?

I mean, at the end of the day they had to beat him somehow and they did make the mistake of making him impossible to beat from a human standpoint. They obviously make mistakes here and there but if you take away the obvious need for plot to happen then Bill would of easily won. Most of these inconsistencies were because of PIS, and when it did matter to the plot Bill showed that he can see the future like Ford and Soos' death.

I don't think they should go rather be noted for PIS

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

yeah i ahree with arsenal its like batmans changing batsuit in the cartoons just inconsistencies that can't really be unsderstood or are made too

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I agree with the contradictory abilities getting removed.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I have reapeated a dozen times why they are not going to just be laughed away like inconsistencies a dozen times. It's also a standard, so to change that you would need a crt of your own.

This is more like someone saying that batman is only human level.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

he still displays them throughout the show and throughout the reddit he just doesn't use them in the finale i mean if martian manhunter phased in one episode then in the finale he doesn't display this power when it was most needed that doesn't take away the fact that he could phase he just didn't use it for the plot to keep going cuz honestly they downplayed bill so much an 8-C mech was capable of ripping his eye out

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Didn't the shacktron have one of bill's weaknesses or something?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

He doesn't showcases them nowhere near that potency.

Saying that he has infinite possibilities precog, and justifying it with him showing precog is like saying that Godzilla was really powerfull, so him being high 3-A counts

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Didn't the shacktron have one of bill's weaknesses or something?

It only had a defense against it, nothing about attacking back

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

He doesn't showcases them nowhere near that potency.
Saying that he has infinite possibilities precog, and justifying it with him showing precog is like saying that Godzilla was really powerfull, so him being high 3-A counts

No godzilla being said to be really powerful (which he is in many regards) doesn't mean we could pull a random tier out of nowhere

bill being said to have precog which he uses throughout the show (albiet muuch weaker version) but not using it in the finale is like my martian manhunter statement

the creators made great characters but they amped bill so much that they had to make weaker and he wouldn't use his powers that would really help he only used what would destroy the enviroment (chaos manip) pocket dimension manip time stop transmutation and a few others that is a ton of abilities just gone from his profile but that doesn't mean he doesn't have those powers

In fact we could say he was so confident he didn't use most of his powers or said precog or anything like that because they are only really two old men and two children

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

bill being said to have precog which he uses throughout the show (albiet muuch weaker version) but not using it in the finale is like my martian manhunter statementNo.

He never used anything even close to that. We don't accept light fang being lightspeed, this is not gonna be accepted either.

I have explained why saying "the show already has inconsistencies" is a bad argument.

I also explained that it's not him using the precg during the fight. Using it at any point would have made him know all outcomes regardless.


So, as you are just repeating yourself, I will ask Ant to open the profile now

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

no i said he never used it AT ALL as in he is too confident like i said above and he does use precog like soos's death the door showing stanford how he will die and stuff like this is what i mean

It is very in character for bill to just not use asn ability due to arrogance i mean it isn't passive it means he could see not he WILL see infinte versions of himself

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

no i said he never used it AT ALL as in he is too confident like i said above and he does use precog like soos's death the door showing stanford how he will die and stuff like this is what i mean

Exept... he used it. He used it in the reddit comment you are taking the ability from. And it's passive.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

where does it say this and he didn't use it in the show i mean at the finale he used it when he felt like now he is too confident and doesn't think he needs it make much more sense all around thsn just taking away the ability

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I just told you. Just now.

I'l qoute it: I also explained that it's not him using the precg during the fight. Using it at any point would have made him know all outcomes regardless

And again, it's passive, he doesn't turn it on or off.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

i asked where does the passivething come from and yeah not using it in a fight with a lopsided robot and it made him go beserk asin not thinking as in not using precog due to being irrational so yeah makes sense that he didn't use it in this fight

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Did you read where he got all time see from?

And for the last time, it doesn't matter when he uses it. Using it at any point would have given him knowledge on all outcomes

 

[DMB_1]

First, you were trying to argue it was just PIS, now you are arguing it was because of the fact that he was angry.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

the pis was for the whole plot and then i thought it made more sense if he was just too confident and in the fight with the robot he was angry as alluded too by his yelling and red eyes i switched my point because it made more sense to me in the long run

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

but if you want to remove his 2-A precog after all this but he still has precog just on a weaker scale due to all his other showings

 

[DMB_1]

You can't shut down a passive hax or completely ignore what it does via being confident, otherwise, he would have known that he would have lost.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

No.

Using it at any time, including when he answered the reddit, would have made him know the outcomes.

It is also, as Saikou said it, WoG never shown in canon (and sometimes contradicted), but it's also in-character for a, well, character known to exaggerate himself all the time

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

i still don't get where it says he has a passive hax i mean it says he sees a kaleidoscope of versions of himself and dimensions and that doesn't seem to scream it is passive for me

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

ok fine but you cant remove the whole ability just the 2-A precog part of it

 

[DMB_1]

Because "constantly see what happens in every timeline in the multiverse" is passive, hence why he is currently listed as having Nigh-Omniscience.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I already explained why it doesn't matter if it is passive or not, but his whole sthick is that he can see thi stuff at all times

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Also, pretty sure you used it as a passive argument in debates

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

when have i said it is passive i only talked abouy iy in the maxwell fight and i just fra if i remember correctly

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

PLease, spend a bit more time looking through your grammer. I don't want to offend, but still.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

but i agree it is iffy so i will say just remove the reasoning for 2-A precog even though his profile says CAN see infinite versions of himself as in he can not constantly no matter what

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

sorry i don't really care for my typing on these sorts of things usually i am much cleaner in my typing

and no offense taken that is just a reccomendation for me to be a neater person

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

but i gree it is iffy so i will say just remove the reasoning for 2-A precog even though his profile says CAN see infinite versions of himself as in he can not constantly no matter what

No.

It's going. Plain out.


I repeated the reason why 7 times now, not counting the days prior to this conversation. It's getting tiresome, but you have been out argued, everyone but 3 agreed and one stopped arguing, the others only reasoning was that there are other plotholes, and you have no arguments plain beyond bill having precog.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

yeah i agree now i say no more 2-A precog that was to show his ability wasn't passive i am saying simply remove the reasoning for 2-A precog then the character debate will be completely over and if you are tired by this than we can disscuss this later as I know how annoying these things can be i am simply saying just don't remove precognition as he evidently does use it just not on the scale of the reddit post

 

[DMB_1]

As I previously stated, this type of precognition would be a passive ability, no matter how you look at it, hence why it's listed as Nigh-Omniscience.

So Bill being able to shut it off at any moment, or even listening to it makes no sense.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

DMB, what do you think, should all reddit abilities go?

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

wait ALL as in every single one that seems to be going overboard

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Again, the reasoning is that multiple of the statements are contradictory, and nearly everything is never shown or even hinted at.

It would be very cherry pick-y to say that stuff from a sorce that was plain inaplicable can stay as long as not directly contradicted

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

except if it is not contradicted a source from what was likely controlled by hirsch or another high end worker can be treated as word of god unless contradicted