I don't think it's needed, despite difference in opinions it's obvious why rating exist as it does. Also that as green brought an example, Ben 10 bigbang is merely a reverse chaos ball and due to expanding throughout cosmology (temporal dimensions), it has way more than what's even needed as base line requirements.
They do not move in the temporal dimension, there is no point in writing as if this were the case. it reacts to the explosion that will create everything, simple as thatThe issue here is that the Omnitrix is reacting to this explosion, a bigbang that created space-time. It doesn't matter how many time dimensions this explosion creates, because no matter how many time dimensions, it is a feat of creation and we cannot treat it as a standard immeasurable speed, there is no evidence that it happens faster than time. There is nothing extra about this explosion except that it creates a hyper timeline, which is not related to immeasurable speed because it shouldn't matter how many time dimensions there are. Apart from that, there are other things that don't make sense in this scene, so it doesn't seem coherent at all.
creating a high-dimensional universe = Immeasurable speed
they have nothing in common we have seen more than once in dbhs that they are faster than linear time with their pure speed
the moment it went off everywhere it proceeded exist temporal dimension. They do move from one point to another in time and entangled with it. They move beyond linear time in the hypertimeline too. Both is immeasurable.
"They have nothing in common" doesn't change that it is same. One is destroying timeline with its expanse and other is creating it with expanse. More than one has nothing to do with topic.
I already responded to this, so I won't respond to break this cycle, but the ben10 fans involved in the thread should stop writing the same things all the time.
We've seen many times in Dragon Ball that they can move at pure speed but here we see them reacting to the bigbang only once and no matter how big this bigbang is or how many dimensions it has it won't affect the speed of this explosion. Of course this is my opinion against your opinion but if the staff coming in thinks otherwise, that's fine, then why don't we wait for the votes for now?
I'm not sure but.. timeless void has nothing to do with the feat.. I think you're misunderstanding.
Yeah. Bigbang explosion has its immeasurable as it expands to entire cosmology in an instant. Including that of hypertimeline (multiple temporal dimensions) and past, present, future.
thisThe issue here is that the Omnitrix is reacting to this explosion, a bigbang that created space-time. It doesn't matter how many time dimensions this explosion creates, because no matter how many time dimensions, it is a feat of creation and we cannot treat it as a standard immeasurable speed, there is no evidence that it happens faster than time. There is nothing extra about this explosion except that it creates a hyper timeline, which is not related to immeasurable speed because it shouldn't matter how many time dimensions there are. Apart from that, there are other things that don't make sense in this scene, so it doesn't seem coherent at all.
creating a high-dimensional universe = Immeasurable speed
Can u elaborate why timeless void and bigbang are related..?
That doesn’t matter for the topic at hand
That’s not what you said before this, but aight, time to pack it up then Ig
Well yes, and then reiner responded to me and I decided to ask Ultima.
And what about now, should we take you as having accepted or something else?
We have been assigning bigbang a speed tho.. I don't think one don't need a speed to escape bigbang in fiction, so not sure. I think it'd be better if Ultima can clear why bigbang here shouldn't have any speed despite creating whole cosmology before Ben's eyes in this thread, given if it's his general view rather than view towards particular fiction.
We expect a vote, not a statement, and we have discussed this many times. It has been 6 pages and these issues have been discussed enough, the important thing from here on is whether to vote or not.
....? You know that just blind voting to not discuss the obvious or new arguments? Bigbang not having speed should be standard on bigbang page if the case.
And fire storm explained the same thing like more than twice. Not to mention the another admin Bambu(don't remember his name) also agreed with immeasurable speed via hyper-timeline which creates an extra temporal dimension while discussing with Reiner.
Most of what has been written to me on this matter has been very hard to understand from a grammar and language perspective. I'm not trying to strawman you, but the explanations have not been great.
bigbang is not an immeasurable speed according to standards, this is not new information
No, Bambu later said he agreed.
The argument really seems to have been twisted. Like nobody is arguing for immeasurable speed via movement in a timeless void.
Clearly circular argument, let's wait if Firestorm still agrees with what the "standards" say.
He agrees that current justification should be removed but rating is fine for another reason that @Firestorm808 provided.
I think it's for best if Ultima himself clear his stance or atleast opinion in this thread. Since his view is that speed is not related to bigbang which obviously not how fiction treats it. It could be his general view which differs from fiction.
That's exactly what I was saying to him
True, it seems that these guys gave ultima a twisted version of our argument.
"for now, as long as my position is known, all is well."
You can keep thinking like that, nobody cares.
Whatever helps you cope better
Please calm yourself and quit the accusations.
I directly copied and pasted what I was told here. I don't have any interest in this series such that I'd be trying to manipulate the outcome.
Just to be sure, will he visit the thread or/ will give his opinion on thread (even if offsite but agrees that can be taken here)?
I don't think it will come (I waited a year for it to come)
