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They know it, even chariot stayed he won't kill him, if he was bloodlusted yeah he will do but when he is Angry he still make strategies and not just fight like and a animal.
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Ben 10 vs The Stardust Crusader (0-7-0) (Grace)
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yes and no, he can kill ben but he don't need to
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It’s already grace but just to be funny
I’m gonna vote Jotaro fra, it seems the arguments are valid from everything I’ve read
I’m gonna vote Jotaro fra, it seems the arguments are valid from everything I’ve read
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Jotaro in character goes for the knockout, the only person he actively wanted to kill was DIO the rest of his enemies were knocked out or incapped.
Basically unless Ben rolls Swamp Fire or Jetray, Jotaro can hold his own against Ben's aliens really well and if he forces him to switch (getting his UFO knocked out from Goop, Spider Monkey or Brainstorm being useless in this fight, and the others can't really get past SP or TS) Jotaro can time stop during his omnitrix switch and just smack him to get a knockout.
Voting Jotaro here
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speed is equalized for the aliens to
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I'm pretty sure we treat Ben going into a speedster alien as a speed amp here
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He can’t. Ultimatrix revived him from complete destruction when he was inside of it.
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Yeah, usually Ben starts an alien to avoid the speed equalized headache. Cause I STILL haven’t upgraded his speed.
The same Omnitrix switch that happens faster than the Big Bang and turns Ben into DNA/energy which will reconstitute itself?
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WE ARE NOT USING THAT OMINITRIX
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Completely different omnitrix, Jotaro has a thought based time stop, Ben does not have master control here so he has to manually dial a different alien and then press in the watch, and it doesn't prevent being him from being knocked out
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Just saying.
It's literally, at worst, who thinks first.
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Oh right, only latter argument then.
Just note that I’m only correcting misconceptions here, not actually arguing the likelihood of Jotaro winning.
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I mean if Ben’s AP and dura gets upgraded. Wouldn’t that put Jotaro in trouble? He wouldn’t know to which level to hold back not to kill Ben and thus can’t KO, nor kill him in human form.
While as an alien Ben has the necessary pain-resistance/stamina to tank the 5 second time stop and pull a Goku vs Hit.
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Star platinum can hold back to such a point he can avoid killing a microscopic Stand lauded as the weakest stand of all, and apply just enough pressure to break its limbs for sassing him. Among almost literally every other character he ever fought, one of SP's main powers is ultra precision after all.
And what about upgrades? They haven't exactly happened yet, if they exist to begin with, if we wanna talk about future revisions SP has a few things in store coming his way too (Notably LS, looking forward to that in particular). I'm not saying they're wrong, but what of it exactly?
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Alright, that’s fine then. The revision is ongoing but I mainly brought it up to get the point across that SP would need to know to which level to hold back.
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Link me it when it's done.
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Ben has tanked stronger attacks in human form compared to star platinum's punches, even if we're gonna downplay ben's durability the failsafe would kick in and stop him from dying, then he could transform into Humungousaur and clear jotaro with ease
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oh i thought we were just talking just about teenage ben, my point still stands about everything else
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I'm actually hopeful for that one the most, I don't see that getting rejected, there's so many LS feats it's not even funny, there's more LS feats then there are every other feat we have thus far.
99% of that I see as basic straightforward uncontroversial basic feats.
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what are you even going on about? since ben has master control the omnitrix can never run out and he just has to think about the alien he wants to turn into and he will. plus jotaro's time stop is like 5 seconds if ircc.
if ben turns into goop he's practically invincible to any attack jotaro throws at him since jotaro only has physical attacks and then can just spam the slime to hold him down then transform to humgonsaur and crush him with no problems whatsoever.
or he could just turn into swampfire and shoot out fire if he wanted, since jotaro is basically a normal guy i dont think he can survive multiple blasts to the face.
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He may not be as strong as his Stand, but damn if Jotaro is "normal", he'd literally rip a normal man's head off casually and he's taken shit that would splatter dudes with a shrug.
Also he and his buddy Pol have both been immolated before, even his daughter set herself ablaze, might not be on par with swamp, but he's anything but normal.
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The OP did not specify Master Control.
Then Jotaro just sees that weird UFO thing on Goop after he seesBen transformed into literal goop to incap him. He ain't dumb to the point he would just punch things here. He already learned this lesson from the Yellow Temperance fight.
Thats a possible wincon thanks to AOE fire or sleephax but Jotaro has more wincons thanks to Star Platinum being able to help Jotaro escape fire attacks or time stop as evasion to avoid aoe fire.
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Yes very cool, and? I said she immolated herself, as in, she literally set herself on fire, Stone Free was never mentioned nor does it matter.
The fact he punches so hard he could unironically do that? He can break chains, he can punch so hard he pulverizes flesh and launches people flying, he literally casually kicked some cop so hard he flew across a street and caved in a garage door, even as a toddler he could smash the teeth out of semi superhuman dudes.
Lad, Jotaro is strong as ****, he's superhuman.
The fact he punches so hard he could unironically do that? He can break chains, he can punch so hard he pulverizes flesh and launches people flying, he literally casually kicked some cop so hard he flew across a street and caved in a garage door, even as a toddler he could smash the teeth out of semi superhuman dudes.
Lad, Jotaro is strong as ****, he's superhuman.
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1. so he can use it unless told otherwise.
2. with goop he can just alter his body
3. time stop is limited to a couple seconds so it dosent matter? we've seen him to do it rapidly in very long range too like a flamethrower so even after he could just continue shooting out fire, oh and i forgot to mention ben with swampfire could regenerate so that could practically nullify his attacks
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5 seconds is a long time for Part 3 Jotaro, I mean, you've seen how long the time stops lasted from their POV, Jotaro in the span of 3 seconds could drop a whole monologue on Dio and scare him shitless, and then still bust his knees in. And he can spam it to an extent, using it to cover ground to get up close, or like, to just lay on the attacks or evade.
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he was stunned for a considerable amount of time with a basic sword stab, and wasnt doing too well after the fight if ircc
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Dude, I'm the OP so no. Get that shit out of here. There's no Master Control in this thread and you should know that the moment you read through the first page.
Imagine being able to alter your body during time stop. I think Goop is the same type of stand as Star Platinum now.
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ok, after time stop he gets hit, clearly he cant spam time stop, if he could do that he woulda done it in most fights in part 4 and 6
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?????????????????????
What the **** does that even matter. And don't bring in stamina feats, at all, Jotaro has literally been blown the **** out and had holes put through him and stood back up.
Against Dio he suffered multiple lesions of the skin, stab wounds, internal damage, hemorrhaging, dusted ribs, collarbone and arm, and so on, and walked it off and was fine within the day.
What the **** does that even matter. And don't bring in stamina feats, at all, Jotaro has literally been blown the **** out and had holes put through him and stood back up.
Against Dio he suffered multiple lesions of the skin, stab wounds, internal damage, hemorrhaging, dusted ribs, collarbone and arm, and so on, and walked it off and was fine within the day.
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He uh, does in Part 4, and 6 he couldn't because it actually dropped because his ass was literally dead and then in a coma for 4 months. Dude atrophied.
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even if he is superhuman, he can
even with chariot right now, even if we say jotaro superhuman, what is he gonna do to his neuroshock ray from jetray?
well, echo echo can self duplicate and just jump him, like that or do sonic scream/sonic force fields
even with chariot right now, even if we say jotaro superhuman, what is he gonna do to his neuroshock ray from jetray?
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Uh, you mean what the profiles say, you did look at them right?
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Literally Jotaro has so many wincons here
Easy-Mid Diff:
Goop: Jotaro observes Goop is moving around with that UFO around and decides to take it out first because Goop already looks like the type of Alien to literally negate his Physical attacks.
Chromastone: Jotaro uses Time Stop and beats the shit out of Chromastone with Star Platinum, putting in a shitton of pressure onto him because Ben can't interact with Stands, there's no way he is breaking out of from Star Platinum's grip
Big Chill: Stands are also intangible, he essentially removes the intangibility hax Big Chill has and beats the shit out of him during Time Stop. If Star Platinum gets iced or some shit, he can easily phase out of it with minimal effort.
Spider Monkey: Star Platinum literally decimates Spider Monkey the same way he decimates Chromastone, time stop + hundreds of free hits onto Spider Monkey GG. SP's lifting strength should be strong enough to tear through the webs.
Brainstorm: The moment Jotaro sees Brainstorm opens its flaps and revealing his brain, It's safe to assume Jotaro with his GIFTED intellect can target his brain the moment the flaps open, he can cross that distance with his stand leaps and time stop combined if he gets far from Brainstorm
Mid-Hard Difficulty:
Jetray: Jetray would be tricky thanks to its flight ability but Star Platinum should be able to block the ranged projectile and use its stand leaps to manage that flight disadvantage he has against Jetray and luckily for Jotaro he has Time Stop to use which does ignore gravity or some shit, which made it look like Dio was flying during TS.
Humungousaur: We still don't have Jotaro's AP upgrade currently, he should still be able to manage with his potent rage amp and stand shenanigans amp but if you want to be honest, Humungousaur is literally a huge ass dude. Jotaro will resort to the Secret Joestar Technique aka running away if he feels like he can't outpunch this giant alien.
Echo Echo: Echo Echo would be a tricky one thanks to his duplication but if Echo Echo is literally just gonna jump on Star Platinum he can easily punch him away, Echo Echo is pretty fragile as stated in the weakness, Jotaro gets earraped and he activates time stop and beats the shit out of Echo Echo from there.
Huge Huge Threat:
Swampfire: Swampfire could actually be a huge threat to Jotaro thanks to its regeneration, aoe fire and sleep hax to take down Jotaro. Fortunately for Jotaro, Ben does not use Sleep hax that often but its AOE fire can be bullshit to deal with, if he does get in close range, Swampfire can easily regenerate and shit, Jotaro could only do so much evasion with his stand leaps and time stop so the best thing Jotaro could do at that point is to run away or else he is doomed.
This is not even taking into consideration for Ben being able to time out, if Jotaro sees Ben time out from any of his 10 aliens he is ******* screwed. He will take note of that and beat the shit out of him before he can even transform, even if Ben does transform he will administer the secret joestar technique until Ben times out again.
Easy-Mid Diff:
Goop: Jotaro observes Goop is moving around with that UFO around and decides to take it out first because Goop already looks like the type of Alien to literally negate his Physical attacks.
Chromastone: Jotaro uses Time Stop and beats the shit out of Chromastone with Star Platinum, putting in a shitton of pressure onto him because Ben can't interact with Stands, there's no way he is breaking out of from Star Platinum's grip
Big Chill: Stands are also intangible, he essentially removes the intangibility hax Big Chill has and beats the shit out of him during Time Stop. If Star Platinum gets iced or some shit, he can easily phase out of it with minimal effort.
Spider Monkey: Star Platinum literally decimates Spider Monkey the same way he decimates Chromastone, time stop + hundreds of free hits onto Spider Monkey GG. SP's lifting strength should be strong enough to tear through the webs.
Brainstorm: The moment Jotaro sees Brainstorm opens its flaps and revealing his brain, It's safe to assume Jotaro with his GIFTED intellect can target his brain the moment the flaps open, he can cross that distance with his stand leaps and time stop combined if he gets far from Brainstorm
Mid-Hard Difficulty:
Jetray: Jetray would be tricky thanks to its flight ability but Star Platinum should be able to block the ranged projectile and use its stand leaps to manage that flight disadvantage he has against Jetray and luckily for Jotaro he has Time Stop to use which does ignore gravity or some shit, which made it look like Dio was flying during TS.
Humungousaur: We still don't have Jotaro's AP upgrade currently, he should still be able to manage with his potent rage amp and stand shenanigans amp but if you want to be honest, Humungousaur is literally a huge ass dude. Jotaro will resort to the Secret Joestar Technique aka running away if he feels like he can't outpunch this giant alien.
Echo Echo: Echo Echo would be a tricky one thanks to his duplication but if Echo Echo is literally just gonna jump on Star Platinum he can easily punch him away, Echo Echo is pretty fragile as stated in the weakness, Jotaro gets earraped and he activates time stop and beats the shit out of Echo Echo from there.
Huge Huge Threat:
Swampfire: Swampfire could actually be a huge threat to Jotaro thanks to its regeneration, aoe fire and sleep hax to take down Jotaro. Fortunately for Jotaro, Ben does not use Sleep hax that often but its AOE fire can be bullshit to deal with, if he does get in close range, Swampfire can easily regenerate and shit, Jotaro could only do so much evasion with his stand leaps and time stop so the best thing Jotaro could do at that point is to run away or else he is doomed.
This is not even taking into consideration for Ben being able to time out, if Jotaro sees Ben time out from any of his 10 aliens he is ******* screwed. He will take note of that and beat the shit out of him before he can even transform, even if Ben does transform he will administer the secret joestar technique until Ben times out again.
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1. While Jotaro is observing he'll be covered in slime, since he wants to take the time to observe it and he'll probably be in the offense and try to attack and i'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he can rip off the slime, but if he stays in goop, he can shoot out acidic slime to put in more damage than basic slime, and if star platinum tries to punch or star finger he could just alter his body to dodge. If jotaro uses time stop, and tries to stand rush he still wont be affected by anything cause he's literal slime his punches are practically nullified since it'll go right through him. but if ircc if he takes enough damage the invulnerability will slow down so theres that.
2. and you said that if he uses the joestar secret technique with humongasur you did put them at equalized speed right? so by that logic humongsaur should catch up easily and pummel him to no end and the more he grows the stronger he gets and at base height hes at star level and star platinum is no where near that, and its definitely strong enough to destroy star platinum's block, since we've seen it happen a lot a lot throughout stardust crusaders. and is it allowed to have his ultimate form? cause then its literally over for jotaro. and if he uses time stop to attack humongasur's durability already outclass star platinum, hell we've seen ben get crushed face first with debris in human form. and are we not taking into consideration that jotaro literal only is able to do it for 3 seconds?
3. Swampfire can stop him from running with adhesive mud.
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