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Bayonetta Verse Revisions: Low 1-C, Infinite

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Comicgyal said:
No, he’s saying that Bayonetta is traveling unfathomably deeper into paradiso, implying that it’s unfathomable in size.

“It’s meant to indicate you’re proceeding unfathomably deeper into the Angels’ world of Paradiso.”

The definition of unfathomable quite literally is
“1. incapable of being fully explored or understood.”
“2.(of water or a natural feature) impossible to measure the extent of.”

If paradiso was simply thousands of times larger than the human world, that’s not impossible to measure at all, or not be able to understand.
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I can get lost in another galaxy and technically be "unfathombly deeper" in space. Unfathomably is not a word that can be used as evidence for infinite size dimension and based off Kamiya's wording it is definitely not in relation to size but rather how far Bayonnetta is into the dimension itself.
 
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
If Muspelheim is infinite in size, I'm pretty sure Irenic was in there too as a boss.
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Milly is right about this. Although irenic was not an enemy inside it (afaik) because it’s a world in Muspelheim, irenic would have had to travel inside of it. Irenic was one of the first angels, and worked as a messenger before history. Because Muspelheim is a primordial world, Irenic would have travelled through it as wel.
 
Comicgyal said:
Milly is right about this. Although irenic was not an enemy inside it (afaik) because it’s a world in Muspelheim, irenic would have had to travel inside of it. Irenic was one of the first angels, and worked as a messenger before history. Because Muspelheim is a primordial world, Irenic would have travelled through it as wel.
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That "before history" statement comes from the description that says Paradiso is thousands of times larger than the human world. One part of it can't be thrown out while the other is accepted. And no, Irenic doesn't have to go through Muspelheim to travel across Paradiso. Those are totally separate places.
 
Dienomite22 said:
That "before history" statement comes from the description that says Paradiso is thousands of times larger than the human world. One part of it can't be thrown out while the other is accepted. And no, Irenic doesn't have to go through Muspelheim to travel across Paradiso. Those are totally separate places.
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? It can be thrown out because it’s just a barebones unit of measure. Also yes irenic would, because muspelheim is still inside of Paradiso.
 
It’s entire purpose is to spread the divine will across paradiso, it would have to cross it all.
 
Comicgyal said:
? It can be thrown out because it’s just a barebones unit of measure. Also yes irenic would, because muspelheim is still inside of Paradiso.
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So "thousands of times large than another universe" is a bare-bone unit of measure compared to "endless energy" and "character x is unfathomably deeper in a dimension" that is being used as evidence for an infinite-sized universe used here? Muspelheim is not a part of Paradiso or any three dimension so anything pertaining to it doesn't matter. It's description makes it clear that it's separate from all the other dimensions and is a dimension cut off from time that is filled with beings from Purgatorio and the human world, not just Paradiso.
 
If the possibilities Aesir are overseeing and manipulating are universes, then he and others would be 2-A. I could make an argument for it being 2-A instead, but focusing on one thing at a time.
 
Going off the scans, Muspelheim sounds more like an infinite sized realm, rather than a realm with an infinite amount of worlds in them, which would be High 3-A and not 2-A since 2-A requires an infinite amount of space-time continums.

This limitless world (notice no plural) disregards the wounds and deaths of yesterday...
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It being an infinite sized world would still be enough for irenic scaling, Muspelheim is inside of Paradiso, it’s just another dimension inside of it.
 
Comicgyal said:
It being an infinite sized world would still be enough for irenic scaling, Muspelheim is inside of Paradiso, it’s just another dimension inside of it.
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So it's a pocket dimension that Irenic doesn't need to go through to travel across Paradiso and thus is not included in the Paradiso travel statement for Irenic.
 
Crimson_Shadow101 said:
Going off the scans, Muspelheim sounds more like an infinite sized realm, rather than a realm with an infinite amount of worlds in them, which would be High 3-A and not 2-A since 2-A requires an infinite amount of space-time continums.
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Comicgyal said:
No, he’s saying that Bayonetta is traveling unfathomably deeper into paradiso, implying that it’s unfathomable in size.

“It’s meant to indicate you’re proceeding unfathomably deeper into the Angels’ world of Paradiso.”

The definition of unfathomable quite literally is
“1. incapable of being fully explored or understood.”
“2.(of water or a natural feature) impossible to measure the extent of.”

If paradiso was simply thousands of times larger than the human world, that’s not impossible to measure at all, or not be able to understand.
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These two mainly, the first moreso for Muspelheim being an infinite world.
 
irenic being able to cross paradiso in 1 day. it is being argued that would include a realm that is described as being "limitless"
 
Unfathomable is more in line with meaning Countless, Innumerable, or Immeasurable than it is Infinite, Limitless, or Unlimited. Admittedly, our standards on what qualifies as infinite is pretty strict; it's common belief for Endless to mean Infinite, but plenty of other staff members are strict with words like that. So it's just going to get interpreted as very big, rather than outright infinite. It would more so be massively above 3-A sized; thus a back feat for Massively FTL+ rather than Infinite.
 
Then what about it being called a limitless world?
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Unfathomable is more in line with meaning Countless, Innumerable, or Immeasurable than it is Infinite, Limitless, or Unlimited. Admittedly, our standards on what qualifies as infinite is pretty strict; it's common belief for Endless to mean Infinite, but plenty of other staff members are strict with words like that. So it's just going to get interpreted as very big, rather than outright infinite. It would more so be massively above 3-A sized; thus a back feat for Massively FTL+ rather than Infinite.
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DarkDragonMedeus said:
Unfathomable is more in line with meaning Countless, Innumerable, or Immeasurable than it is Infinite, Limitless, or Unlimited. Admittedly, our standards on what qualifies as infinite is pretty strict; it's common belief for Endless to mean Infinite, but plenty of other staff members are strict with words like that. So it's just going to get interpreted as very big, rather than outright infinite. It would more so be massively above 3-A sized; thus a back feat for Massively FTL+ rather than Infinite.
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WeeklyBattles said:
They do flat out say that its infinite in siz though
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Comicgyal said:
Then what about it being called a limitless world?
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Hence my suggestion of "possibly infinite"
 
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