I'm not saying its gonna do shit to Emps, I'm saying its gonna reset reality once he dies and just start everything back at SBA
You do realize that if Emprah just stomps Caliborn into Dust repeatedly he'd be incapped by the rules, yes?
That's only if the incap happens passively or in some similar manner, which isn't the case here
I mean, can Caliborn do anything but die here?
Big E is 3 layers lol
It is indeed when the guy can do shit on a thought-based bases
That ain't passive so it doesn't count
Nope, but due to how the rules work out, it just means it ends up being a fat incon
Prove that Caliborn's type 8 prevents incapacitation from someone who resists his plot manip.
Reality itself will work to ensure his existence follows the narrative it has set out for him, with every single point of his existence needing to follow said narrative so that he comes into existence and dies in the exact way and time he is meant to, otherwise it will just shunt that all into a non-canon timeline that is gonna be deleted, made non-canon and continue in a "timeline" where that didn't happen, this is without going into his own personal fuckery that comes with him being lord english, but that likely isn't relevant anyways.
The type 8 isn't solely based on his plot manip, that is a separate thing altogether
Just wondering cause I wanted to know how the type 8 works since its said Emps' power can circumvent fated events.
Basically here a Daemon is said to exist at the end of time so he has added protection and can afford to be sloppy with his actions yet:
Emps' sword, the one powered by him, is said to be able to kill him forever if it was given the chance so Emps should be able to perform something similar.
IC, maybe, idk
I mean TBF, it doesn't have to be a permanent incap, he just needs an hour to 24 hours depending on how he does it lol
That would trigger the type 8, because even ignoring other arguments, from a wholly in-character viewpoint, Caliborn is an arrogant and childish prick.
I would like to see this happening in Homestuck please
The entirety of his interactions with Hussie and John, the former of which causing him to go to the "past" as Lord English and murder Hussie, it is also just like, one of the key aspects of his characterization because he never properly predominated, meaning his mental and emotional growth was entirely stunted (this latter bit was explicitly stated in the comic btw)
And did reality reset because he went into the "past" as Lord english?
No, because it was literally apart of how things went, as him killing hussie resulted in the chain of events that would make Lord English come into existence in the first place, creating a closed time loop, which all time travel in homestuck has to be to not create a doomed timeline.
Aka, Caliborn loses anyway and you're just unwilling to admit it.
I literally made a RT for Caliborn with (98%) all his scans (I missed some of the components haxes
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Just wrong, cause in the scenario you propose (Caliborn getting incapped for 24 hours), he will attempt to travel back to the past as one of his later keys, but as it is not accounted for in the timeline and does not further his coming into being or his ordained death, the simple act of attempting to do so will shunt the entire thing into a doomed timeline, stopping the incap from happening in the first place as were it to occur in any degree it would result in a set of events that would produce a doomed timeline, and thereby, would not affect what is canon and true.
But The Emperor resists Plot Manipulation. He won't be effected here, especially since if Emprah hits Caliborn with his sword, there's no coming back from it. There's no fun end game, it's literally negging everything about Caliborn even attempting to come back or the plot bringing him back.
Yeah him resisting it doesn't stop Caliborn's own plot manip from working to protect him, also he isn't hitting actual Caliborn anyways, it isn't that the plot is bringing him back or anything, it is him literally only affecting an entirely different Caliborn, which has no affect upon the Caliborn who still exists and is alive and unharmed in the Alpha Timeline
Ask this guy right here how well that works out for me yeah?
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I literally made a RT for Caliborn with (98%) all his scans (I missed some of the components haxes
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That isn't really plot manipulation (doomed timelines), don't know if it would kill him or whatever, but doomed timelines would act independent if you resist any of his passives (causality, probability, fate and plot). His power makes so all outcomes 'n causality are at his favour, but those that don't matter to him becoming Lord English become doomed timelines. It doesn't matter if you are unaffected or not, if it doesn't favour him becoming LE, it would still be a doomed timeline.
Unless anything currently in Homestuck in NEP 2 in a bunch of ways, AE1 in a bunch of ways, and Acasual 5, no.
