Base Naruto stats

[Non-Bias]

So one of them accels at using pure chakra attacks compared to the other? Because that's all Chidori and Rasengan is. Doesn't sound right to me lol. If anything, by having to state that Sasuke's on Naruto's level Kishimoto was implying that Naruto was always the stronger one between the two before his announcement. But nope, they are equal in power otherwise. Unless you have some compelling evidence of course.

 

[GreatestSin]

So one of them accels at using pure chakra attacks compared to the other? Because that's all Chidori and Rasengan is. Doesn't sound right to me lol.

now im at a loss, why do you understand chakra-control is i say movie-chidori > basic rasengan? until naruto isnt showing that his basic rasengan has the same power it isnt possible to scale them, where is the connection?

If anything, by having to state that Sasuke's on Naruto's level Kishimoto was implying that Naruto was always the stronger one between the two before his announcement.
and again, overall power =/= "beign better in specific fields"... and you didnt deny my example with genjutsu, does it mean naruto is equal to sasuke in that too since they are equal in overall strength?

But nope, they are equal in power otherwise.
they had been equal, is like this, will be like this... but that doesnt mean they can be better in a few specific fields..

Unless you have some compelling evidence of course.
i actually would want this from you ^_^

 

[KyofuSama93]

Lmao, when did Naruto use Genjutsu?

PS: If anything, Naruto's rasengan should be stronger, since that's the only jutsu that he uses (his speciality as the KB)

 

[Non-Bias]

Always equal.

http://www.***********.net/naruto/227/9

http://www.***********.net/naruto/227/10

Always equal.

http://www.***********.net/naruto/485/12

http://www.***********.net/naruto/485/16

http://www.***********.net/naruto/486/2

Always equal.

http://www.***********.net/naruto/698/7

http://www.***********.net/naruto/698/6

http://www.***********.net/naruto/698/20


^Nothing is going to change that, especially since they're running on the same power source (Hagoromo's power).

 

[GreatestSin]

Lmao, when did Naruto use Genjutsu?

PS: If anything, Naruto's rasengan should be stronger, since that's the only jutsu that he uses (his speciality as the KB)

never, this is why i asked, how can past accomplishments be simply taken into the present?

for the PS: yeah, it "should be", but until proven otherwise we cant simply assume that this is the case right?

@nonbias

thanks for all the chapters, now can you show me one where basic rasengan has the same power as the basic chidori shown in the movie?

i agree that they had bee equal, and they are mostlikely equal on overall strength even now, but this doesnt mean that their basic chidori and basic rasengan are now equal right?

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

If Sasuke has a City Level Chidori, Naruto has a City Level Rasengan. The two techniques have always been equal in power as seen constantly in the series.
^As you can see, Kishimoto stated that Naruto and Sasuke are equal in power, which means that they can be powerscaled to each other.

ähhhm, overall power =/= specific abilitys... you cant say that simply because naruto = sasuke, that all their abilitys are the same...

@kkapoios

i dont get it, town level and street lvl only differ in the scale of destruction which they create, why not "area of effect"?

I doesn't work that way.

Anyway naruto is at least city level because his FRS should be much stronger than chidori.

 

[GreatestSin]

I doesn't work that way.

Anyway naruto is at least city level because his FRS should be much stronger than chidori.

you mean the thing with "area of effect"?

i never compared chidori and FRS, either way, actually, do we even know if the chidori-beam from the movie is the basic chidori? (it is mostlikely a application like the chidori spear since it does a complete different thing)...

btw, i still dont get how FRS can be labelled city-lvl, it is not even close to such a range :I

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

What beam?? show me the beam because i don't see one

Let me give you a simple example: character A survives a 40 Megaton nuclear bomb (city level)

Character B breaks Character A's hand with a punch, the punch may not have the same area of effect with the bomb but it has city level Attack Potency.

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

Range =/= Attack Potency ,if you don't believe then ask a member of the staff

EDIT what i'm telling you is widely accepted

 

[GreatestSin]

What beam?? show me the beam because i don't see one

Let me give you a simple example: character A survives a 40 Megaton nuclear bomb (city level)

Character B breaks Character A's hand with a punch, the punch may not have the same area of effect with the bomb but it has city level Attack Potency.

the chidori-beam from the movie which destroyed the half-meteor...

i still dont get it, if char B can destroy someone with the durability against a 40megaton nuke, than shouldnt his punch possess the same or greater strengh than said nuke? doesnt this mean if he punches the ground he would get a similar destructive feat?

for the edit: im not accepting it, i only want to know what the difference is because i dont really see any, we use jouls and other measures for the strength of the attack, that is directly useable for area of effect attacks right?

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

Character B has city level attack potency for hurting someone with city level durability but his punches don't result in the same wide destrustion as the nuke.

Another example naruto has continent level striking stregth yet when punching momoshiki he only destroyed a couple of mountains

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

" doesnt this mean if he punches the ground he would get a similar destructive feat?"

If you mean that Character B's punches would destroy a city as collateral damage,then no ,fiction doesn't work that way all times since 99.9% of the authors-writers have little to no knowledge of physics and usualy no concern about simple logic.

You are the only one who disagrees with the city level AP ,while suggesting street -building level stats which is quite ridiculous.

If you are not convinced by powerscaling then i will calc this rasengan-chidori clash http://www.***********.net/naruto/698/7

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

I get 9.3 kt for the feat, dividing it by 2 =4.6 kilotons (small town level) for a casual rasengan of an exhausted naruto.

 

[GreatestSin]

I get 9.3 kt for the feat, dividing it by 2 =4.6 kilotons (small town level) for a casual rasengan of an exhausted naruto.

im not disagreeing with your calculations but with the comparison of yours of "since sasuke made a village-scale-chidori-beam in the movie narutos rasengan will be able to do it too"...

if it can be shown that in the movie his rasengan had that much power i wouldnt disagree, but the comparison of them for not good reason made it kind of cheap :I

btw, what lvl would the chidori beam reach?

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

sasuke's chidori in the movie is city level for destroying a meteor and neutralizing it's kinetic energy

 

[GreatestSin]

sasuke's chidori in the movie is city level for destroying a meteor and neutralizing it's kinetic energy

i thought there would be more calculations XD

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

With 2 min screentime i don't think so

 

[GreatestSin]

With 2 min screentime i don't think so

mangas usually only have one panel about the feat :I

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

My point is that he had no time to have multiple feats

 

[GreatestSin]

My point is that he had no time to have multiple feats

but isnt one feat enough to calculate it? doesnt the energy to destroy(to the point of pulverizing) a village/city-seized meteore who comes down with a immense kinetic energy require far more than a city-lvl output?

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

The meteor wasn't that big ,stopping its kinetic energy is the max energy you can get from the feat (and it's city level)

 

[GreatestSin]

The meteor wasn't that big ,stopping its kinetic energy is the max energy you can get from the feat (and it's city level)

wasnt he in size as big as the konoha-village (after gettting destroyed by 50%)?

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Naruto_-_Rock_Lee_busts_a_meteorite

 

[GreatestSin]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Naruto_-_Rock_Lee_busts_a_meteorite

coo, thanks

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

About the speed ,old base naruto is slightly slower than Pain who is mach 43 https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kkapoios/Nagato's_Speed (DontTalk checked the calc and said it's good).

So current base should be at least high hypersonic.

 

[President35JFK]

Ok I think we can all agree that naruto was at his prime strongest during the last. Since during Gaiden Kurama said that Naruto had gotten a lot weaker (which does bring up the question is kurama stronger than naruto now since when naruto fought kurama he only had half of his charka and needed help from his mom)....also can someone explain what this is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKhRVAclCjU (0:10-0:15) second by second if you need to becuase I am confused on why the hell their is a small mountain behind the tree,and why does naruto and sasuke have a trail of lava behind them when punching momoshiki

 

[KyofuSama93]

Ok I think we can all agree that naruto was at his prime strongest during the last. Since during Gaiden Kurama said that Naruto had gotten a lot weaker (which does bring up the question is kurama stronger than naruto now since when naruto fought kurama he only had half of his charka and needed help from his mom)....also can someone explain what this is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKhRVAclCjU (0:10-0:15) second by second if you need to becuase I am confused on why the hell their is a small mountain behind the tree,and why does naruto and sasuke have a trail of lava behind them when punching momoshiki

Kurama never said that.

 

[GreatestSin]

Kurama never said that.

kurama said he became rusty, meaning, weaker (even if it is something that is temporarily (if naruto trains))

 

[KyofuSama93]

Rusty Ôëá Weaker.

At least not in the way that some people are trying to say.

 

[President35JFK]

Rusty Ôëá Weaker.
At least not in the way that some people are trying to say.

Ok then rusty. But it's not like naruto can do anything since we see that in boruto that naruto is getting overworked and even needs his shadow clones to help him with the work load.....but then again naruto can make an army of clones and he could of have them do shit while he trained.