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Base characters are high 4-C. That's great and all but can't ALL of these characters die via black holes? That just makes all the tier 4 stuff outliers IIRC. They should be low 5-B via being comparable to Wario.
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Base Mario characters Downgrade
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See: Black Hole Feats in Fictio
Surviving a black hold wouldn't necessarily require Tier 4 durability.
Surviving a black hold wouldn't necessarily require Tier 4 durability.
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Black holes ignore durability via gravity and radiation manip. Not to mention Game Mechanics, they also die by lava.
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Don't they scale to Yoshi's constellation feat?
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Ok? You could throw all the star level feats at me but the power Stars are also 4-C, you know the things that power up Mario. It's questionable giving Base characters the same low end rating of a massive power up. That's like base Sonic being at least 5-A.
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1. So you need to be infinitely durable to survive a black hole?
2. Mario was powered up by Dream Luigi.
3. Dreamy Luigi was the one shown to manipulate constellations.
2. Mario was powered up by Dream Luigi.
3. Dreamy Luigi was the one shown to manipulate constellations.
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I'll just see how far this goes.
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Black hole feats are unquantifiable 90% of the time. Also, even if they were, this wouldn't invalidate anything because Black Holes destroy stars all the time.
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Black holes in SMG series insta kill Mario, black holes in the party games insta kill, and I'm pretty sure Bowser made a tier 5 black hole in one of the party games.
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Read what Eficiente already said, plus black holes in the party games never kill anyone they always survive with little if any damage at all.Zamasu Chan said:
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Black Holes are durability negations; they're horrible reasons to downgrade characters. It's the same thing as downgrading Sonic because he can die from drowning, or downgrading Superman because he can die from green rocks. And yeah, Mario has a ton of Tier 4 feats with or without enhancements from Power Stars, and even Base Mario has consistently fought bosses powered by Power Stars; there are some who believe Mario and the others base keys should be merged with their Power Star enhanced keys, but that's a bit stretchy.
But as Dark649 mentioned, he's got plans to upgrade the cast to 4-A regardless.
But as Dark649 mentioned, he's got plans to upgrade the cast to 4-A regardless.
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Mario cast used to be 4-A but got dropped to High 4-C, now they're going back. What a twist.
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Reason for the initial downgrade was more so to do with Constellation feats being High 4-C as opposed to 4-A, but Mario has a few starry dimensions feats that are 4-A. There's also a calc that involved shaking the galaxy that got a 4-A result iirc.
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Welp
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Feel free to close this thread. I was half serious anyway.
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