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Ban vs. Trafalgar Law

i dont remember any hax from law which could finish off ban

whereas ban can possibly oneshot with fox hund

and most likely one shot with zero sign + FH

ban can fight on even grounds / defeat the levels of doflamingo

law is out of his leauge
 
RavenSupreme said:
i dont remember any hax from law which could finish off ban
whereas ban can possibly oneshot with fox hund

and most likely one shot with zero sign + FH

ban can fight on even grounds / defeat the levels of doflamingo

law is out of his leauge
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Law has radio knife which could stop regeneratioon to an extent, though it may not put him down.
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Room (or his normal sword attacks as well) allows him to bypass conventional durability, slicing him into pieces (though this doesn't harm him, just makes the pieces float to which he could then connect to inanimate objects as well, like he did with the marines he did in Punk Hazard as their body parts connected to barrels and such.)

It also seems that Bans is suceptable to soul manipulation, which Law can do with Shambles, switching his consciousness with another (but assuming that this is straight up 1v1, I don't see how this is going to play well)

Law also has pre-cog via Kenbunshoku Haki, countering his Zero sign.

In Ban's favor, Law needs concentration in completing tasks as such and it consumes a lot of energy.

Most of Law's attacks would be harmless to Ban due to their characteristics, while Bans are more rutheless. His attacks would most likely overwhelm law in the end.


80/100 in Bans favor
 
interesting theory. thanks for the input

the thing with ban however is, he does not need to re-attach his body. it merely grows back via his regenerative mist

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meaning even things like gamma knife and the average slice to pieces

durability ignoring is nice if he would encounter someone who relies on his physical durability - which ban does not. dude got his entire upper body including all vital organs, head, limbs etc. blown to a pulp from some lower tier monster

still regenerated in 2 seconds tho

shambles is for once not a proper soulmanipulation but another form of hax and yeha - in a 1v1 situation that falls pretty flat

can you give intel on how good his precog haki is?

ban in zero sign avoided being detected by people who can specifically sense their enemies over 100 miles distance - yet ban walked right through them like its nothing. its not your average "im invisible lol" hax but some proper "erased presence" situation
 
I dont really know anything about Ban but i don't think he would be able to regenerate from Law's attacks.

When Law cuts with room he is not 'cutting' the limb he is in a way detaching it. The limb would still exist and possibly be functional, but it would be seperate from the body, and as a result i am unsure if it would regenerate, since it was never physcially cut from the body to begin with.

This detachment cant be seen when law removes the heart of his enemies, it is still fully functional and will still pump blood around the body despite the fact which it has been seperated and has been shown to function while dozens of metres away from the body. When outside the body it can be squeezed to cause pain against the opponent but they still clutch their chest as if the pain if origionating from there, despite the heart being outside the body.

I may be wrong but this leads me to think it would not regenerate because it was never truly severed like shown in the scans. But i may be wrong and feel free to tell me if i am.
 
Luffy stated that law does have haki, and him being one of the 11 supernova/worst generation. It is not stated how pro-efficient in haki, but it is roughly high powerscaling from post-timeskip (excluding gear fourth).


The issue with Law is that he seems more like like what Genos is to Saitama with Luffy, basically using him to scale the strength of enemies.


This turns to another ____vs Ban giving it to their favor due to him outlasting the enemy as usual...
 
Volundox said:
This detachment cant be seen when law removes the heart of his enemies, it is still fully functional and will still pump blood around the body despite the fact which it has been seperated and has been shown to function while dozens of metres away from the body. When outside the body it can be squeezed to cause pain against the opponent but they still clutch their chest as if the pain if origionating from there, despite the heart being outside the body.
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From the scan raven has shown, I think he can since his arm regenrated when severed from his body, so It could give an advantage in Ban's favor even more in an element of surprise.
 
well i recall luffy pre-skip more or less precogning an attack from mihawk which would have ended him. however mihawk was already in attack pose, visible and the entire scene was a battle field either way. i am not sure how it can compare with the likes of "zero sign"

especially since the first attack in zero sign still falls under his erased pressure. meaning he gets at least one - likely the first in a bloodlusted scenario - critical hit in

its an intereseting battle since law is one of if not the most haxxed characters from the OP verse - which is similar with ban whose abilities synergise very well together either.

in terms of vsbattles its tough to deal with him - especially now that he got a really good reservoir of abilities...the immortality, the high level regen, stealing physical stats, stealing organs, limbs, weapons, erasing his presence completely...
 
Hmmmm, bans incredible Regenerationn makes it incredibly hard for him to get killed so the question is whether or not ban can outlast law. First law has a good advantage over ban in the battlefield because of room and most of his attacks are ranged, area attacks. However bans durability is strong and while law can bypass his durability ban could just use physical hunt and hunter fest to gather the strength to destroy law. However once more @Battlemania gave an interesting idea and said law could just use shamble and put Bans soul into something weak and small like a bunny and kill him and he will not survive since his Regenerationn only applies to his body. .....Jesus this is a hard decision......ƒñöƒñöƒñöƒñö
 
Akuto Sai12 said:
RavenSupreme said:
can you evaluate this a little more?
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Not much to say besides that.Ban has hax of his own but stealing physical strength won't be much help to begin with
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i am sorry but i dont see how law could even kill him? bans fox hunt instantly steals internal organs from up to city level character without even having a weapon which boosts his stats. he can absolutely erase his presence and his Regenerationn makes it impossible for ban to kill him

basically ban is a perfect counter for law since his regular hax attacks dont work on him
 
Grudgeman1706 said:
Hmmmm, bans incredible Regenerationn makes it incredibly hard for him to get killed so the question is whether or not ban can outlast law. First law has a good advantage over ban in the battlefield because of room and most of his attacks are ranged, area attacks. However bans durability is strong and while law can bypass his durability ban could just use physical hunt and hunter fest to gather the strength to destroy law. However once more @Battlemania gave an interesting idea and said law could just use shamble and put Bans soul into something weak and small like a bunny and kill him and he will not survive since his Regenerationn only applies to his body.
.....Jesus this is a hard decision......ƒñöƒñöƒñöƒñö
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bans durability actually is quite low. he gets chopped around quite regulary. he however regenerates and keeps going without problems.

the shamble thing is - as far as i am concerned - a NLF in this debate because i dont recall it working like you have described and you assume many factors which are not part of the battle rule as well (has it ever been used to switch place to an anima? was it confirmed to switch the soul? where does he switch it to when nothing is around? etc.) in a team battle it might be a thing - but in this 1v1 setting not so much

ban doesnt need to utilize HF or PH actually - fox hunt would be enough
 
Not much to say besides that.Ban has hax of his own but stealing physical strength won't be much help to begin with
i am sorry but i dont see how law could even kill him? bans fox hunt instantly steals internal organs from up to city level character without even having a weapon which boosts his stats. he can absolutely erase his presence and his Regenerationn makes it impossible for ban to kill him

basically ban is a perfect counter for law since his regular hax attacks dont work on him

Could you please show us some scans of ban stealing someone's organs that would be a great tie breaker and help make a decision
 
bans durability actually is quite low. he gets chopped around quite regulary. he however regenerates and keeps going without problems.

the shamble thing is - as far as i am concerned - a NLF in this debate because i dont recall it working like you have described and you assume many factors which are not part of the battle rule as well (has it ever been used to switch place to an anima? was it confirmed to switch the soul? where does he switch it to when nothing is around? etc.) in a team battle it might be a thing - but in this 1v1 setting not so much

ban doesnt need to utilize HF or PH actually - fox hunt would be enough

Doesn't it say mountain level on his page though
 
Akuto Sai12 said:
He steals organs? I stopped reading Tazai a while ago let me reread his page the
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oh yeha. quite regulary even

here is one instance

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and here is the even deadlier version since he adds in his erased presence to take out 5 at once

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just one question - how far have you been in taizai? a lot has happened so i dont know what i may need to explain to you?

edit: grudgemaster, its also for you interesting maybe
 
I had stopped around chapter 100 or so iirc.

That said after reevaluating this fight I think ban wins.

Superior hax tbh. Law will not even know of his presence and once he finds out it'll be too late. Heck he could simply stay in that state and steal all of laws physical power while he can't even do a thing to retaliate.

Ban mid diff low if he starts by erasing his presence from the get go
 
oh yeha. quite regulary even

here is one instance

http://a.*************/store/manga/...d/bnanatsu-no-taizai-6372991.jpg?v=1445259783

http://a.*************/store/manga/...d/bnanatsu-no-taizai-6372997.jpg?v=1445259783

and here is the even deadlier version since he adds in his erased presence to take out 5 at once

http://a.*************/store/manga/11925/176.0/compressed/e016.jpg?v=1464603723

http://a.*************/store/manga/11925/176.0/compressed/e017.jpg?v=1464603723

http://a.*************/store/manga/11925/176.0/compressed/e018.jpg?v=1464603723

http://a.*************/store/manga/11925/176.0/compressed/e019.jpg?v=1464603723

http://a.*************/store/manga/11925/176.0/compressed/e020.jpg?v=1464603723

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just one question - how far have you been in taizai? a lot has happened so i dont know what i may need to explain to you?

edit: grudgemaster, its also for you interesting maybe

This is very interesting and I now can say Ban wins this one. Bans ability reminds me of HNKs Kaizer a dude who could remove bones and entire organs without leaving a single scar
 
@grudgemaster - yeha thats quite low in terms of the current arc villains who hang at small island to island level currently. its up to 2 tiers different. his regen works in his favour tho
 
Grudgeman1706 said:
Really
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yeha. with HF he can amp his durability at least up to large mountain level when he has a weapon. but his base durability falls off short - but that makes sense i guess. a regenerator doesnt need to have the highest tankiness i think?
 
I have a character in mind for ban to fight but only when the character gets a certain upgrade to make it more favorable
 
Akuto Sai12 said:
How much time would it take ban to steal laws physical power
and render him helpless?
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Law wouln't be completely helpless because there is a limit to how much Ban can take from an individual.
 
Law wouln't be completely helpless because there is a limit to how much Ban can take from an individual.

Bro I wanted personally law to win but bans AP and hax are to much for law unless what Battlemania said is true and law can shamble bans soul to another weaker being I don't see him permanently putting ban down
 
SuperKamiNappa said:
Akuto Sai12 said:
How much time would it take ban to steal laws physical power
and render him helpless?
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Law wouln't be completely helpless because there is a limit to how much Ban can take from an individual.
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wrong. its not about how much he can take from an individual, its about how much he can store. he took the strenght of a 7A, a 7b and some fodders at the same time before reaching his limit.

he would have no problem draining a single 7a character

but he doesnt even need the stealing of physical stats here tho
 
i go with inconclusive, Law will easily stop Ban from harming him but he cant kill him so it should be counted as a win via BFR,

but since OP said that it doesnt count i go to inconclusive ^_^
 
Law wouln't be completely helpless because there is a limit to how much Ban can take from an individual.
wrong. its not about how much he can take from an individual, its about how much he can store. he took the strenght of a 7A, a 7b and some fodders at the same time before reaching his limit.

he would have no problem draining a single 7a character

but he doesnt even need the stealing of physical stats here tho

Quick question when ban takes someone strength can the opponent still fight or no
 
^it is like the person who got "robbed" simply is out of stamina, maybe someone like natsu that gets sudden nakama-power ups will still be able to fight but usually a char should simply be out of stamina if Ban stole enough (he also requires a few seconds for stealing :) )
 
GreatestSin said:
^it is like the person who got "robbed" simply is out of stamina, maybe someone like natsu that gets sudden nakama-power ups will still be able to fight but usually a char should simply be out of stamina if Ban stole enough (he also requires a few seconds for stealing :) )
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Or someone who can energize quickly like my main man Kenshiro
 
GreatestSin said:
i go with inconclusive, Law will easily stop Ban from harming him but he cant kill him so it should be counted as a win via BFR,
but since OP said that it doesnt count i go to inconclusive ^_^
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how will law stop ban from harming him?
 
Grudgeman1706 said:
Quick question when ban takes someone strength can the opponent still fight or no
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not really. as you see in the instance with meliodas or the townsfolk.

as long as his limit is not full, he can drain you completely
 
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