BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[CodeCCLL]

I can see someone who doesn’t know

Still wondering how many 2C characters attack here were shown to affect past, present, future

I don't even know why I take you seriously. But literally in every case that is accepted by the wiki as a solid Tier 2 feat it was happen/is strongly implied to have happened.

None of this entails it can't add consistency

What feat do you think this would be consistent with? Senjumaru's Bankai doesn't show a Tier 2 feat in the first place, and since the distance between universes cannot be known, even the fact that the shaking crosses the dangai doesn't mean much.

この断界は名前の通り現世からも尸魂界からも時間と空間が断絶された場所だ
1. This Dangai, as the name suggests, is a place where time and space are severed from both the World of the Living and the Soul Society. (GPT)
2. This Dangai, as its name implies, is a place where time and space are completely severed from both the World of the Living and the Soul Society. (GPT)

I also checked translation with GPT (like you) before it was posted. But no matter the translation, the words are a bit disconnected. I think, we need to see what wiki translators think.

 

[Adam1396]

I don't even know why I take you seriously.

Yeah it's exactly the other way.
There's no reason to take someone seriously who think it's mandatory to affect past, present, future for 2C tier.
Lame indeed

 

[CodeCCLL]

There's no reason to take someone seriously who think it's mandatory to affect past, present, future for 2C tier.

Tier 2: Multiversal
Low 2-C: Universe level+
Characters or objects whose power is uncountably infinitely greater than the prior tiers. That is to say, they can significantly affect, create and/or destroy higher-dimensional structures that exceed lesser objects by an uncountably infinite margin. An example of this is 4-dimensional spacetime continuums of universal size, but this can be generalized to any 4-dimensional structure of a similar scope.

The Space-time continuum refers to the concept of physics that refers to all the time of a certain space, i.e. the past, present and future of a space. It posits that space and time are not separate and distinct entities, but rather they are interwoven and form a single fabric of reality, called spacetime. In this view, events in the universe are not just located in space, they also occur at a specific point in time.

Your ignorance is worrying.

 

[Adam1396]

Your ignorance is worrying.

Your lack of knowledge is even more concerning.

 

[Ovy7]

SK's name is

Spoiler

Adnyeus/Adonaeus. The name comes from one of the Archons (fake angels who along with the Demiurge created the physical universe) in Gnosticism, Adonaeus, who represents the Sun.

 

[Hellscream]

That would be dope, considering the chant in Auswahlen

 

[Hellscream]

Apparently Yhwach saw the soul king being sealed as a child, which would confirm that Yhwach is actually the soul king's son and that he's actually millions of years old

 

[Nierre]

did anyone doubt any of this

 

[Hellscream]

did anyone doubt any of this

Yes, a lot of people doubted whether he was his actual son or not, there's a lot more info though but too lazy to note everything

can be easily found

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Adyneus in Gnosticism allegedly representative of the sun in the sense of the sun binding souls to earth, fitting symbolism given Reio perpetuates the cycle of souls

 

[Arcker123]

What feat do you think this would be consistent with? Senjumaru's Bankai doesn't show a Tier 2 feat in the first place, and since the distance between universes cannot be known, even the fact that the shaking crosses the dangai doesn't mean much

I'm not going to sit here and defend Arcs view to you. All I'm going to defend is my claim, is that the key word can be interpreted in the tier two way, which is just trivially true. The words "significantly affect the world" can (im on phone so I can't bold this) refer to affecting the entire contiuum. The reason why you would believe that it does in this case, would be a further argument like arcs, which I'm ambivalent to. I brought that up to provide further avenues someone could take the argument if they wanted to

 

[Arcker123]

Adyneus in Gnosticism allegedly representative of the sun in the sense of the sun binding souls to earth, fitting symbolism given Reio perpetuates the cycle of souls

Constant sun imagery makes sense now...

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

this just proves yhwach is the good guy tbh going against an evil demiurge

 

[SlendVeny]

this just proves yhwach is the good guy tbh going against an evil demiurge

Spoiler

Evil? One would assume binding souls to earth is good, do you want to float around in space?

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Spoiler

Evil? One would assume binding souls to earth is good, do you want to float around in space?

the material world is inherently evil. haven't you learned?

 

[GOATMAN1232000]

this just proves yhwach is the good guy tbh going against an evil demiurge

I feel like the Five Great Nobles and Ichibei would fit more as a demiurge. The Reio doesn't seem like someone who would willingly create a world of suffering, which is what the Gnostic demiurge does from by understanding.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

the material world is inherently evil. haven't you learned?

This has got to be one of the cringiest things I've heard

 

[Adam1396]

I'm not going to sit here and defend Arcs view to you. All I'm going to defend is my claim, is that the key word can be interpreted in the tier two way, which is just trivially true. The words "significantly affect the world" can (im on phone so I can't bold this) refer to affecting the entire contiuum. The reason why you would believe that it does in this case, would be a further argument like arcs, which I'm ambivalent to. I brought that up to provide further avenues someone could take the argument if they wanted to

There's no need to entertain him any further. He either doesn’t know what he is talking about, or he observed very few threads.

Anyway hoping for Gremmy upgrade which would end up upgrading yamamoto too.

Do you think captains going to get a huge bump?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

No ^

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

This has got to be one of the cringiest things I've heard

blame the gnostics not me

 

[Adam1396]

Only ones who got upgrded are uryu and jugram

 

[SlendVeny]

Only ones who got upgrded are uryu and jugram

True, but maybe...

 

[AppleLord]

"Dualism: Gnostics often view the world as divided between the material and the spiritual. The Demiurge, often seen as an inferior or evil creator god, fashioned the material universe. The true God or Monad is transcendent and unknowable, far removed from the physical world. Archons: The Archons are lesser, deceptive spiritual beings who help the Demiurge govern the material world. They trap human souls in physical bodies and distract them from divine knowledge. Adonaeus is one such Archon, linked to the sun and often seen as a false light, keeping humans in ignorance."

Soul King = Archons?
Royal Guard = Archons?

If this is would be the case then we haven't seen the real Gods yet!

"Salvation through Knowledge: Humans possess a divine spark or fragment of the true God. Salvation comes from awakening to this knowledge, realizing that the material world is a trap, and returning to the spiritual realm, often guided by a divine emissary. Influence of Christianity: Many Gnostic sects interpreted Christian figures like Jesus differently, seeing him as a divine revealer who imparts hidden knowledge rather than as a savior through sacrifice."

Fullbrings?

 

[JohnHendrix212]

So, does Uryu get 4-A or something?

How does him defeating Senjumaru affect his scaling?

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

So, does Uryu get 4-A or something?

How does him defeating Senjumaru affect his scaling?

Chad >>> Division Zero

 

[Tyri456]

this just proves yhwach is the good guy tbh going against an evil demiurge

It most likely proves Yhwach has his own good reasons to act, but def not a good guy, dude will cut you in 2 if you try to talk to him lol

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Yes Uryu will get an upgrade with the cour 3 AP revisions.

 

[JohnHendrix212]

Yes Uryu will get an upgrade with the cour 3 AP revisions.

Neat.

 

[Saibotsan]

This is the best episode so far, those were some of the best getsuga in the series

 

[Peter1129]

Spoiler: Episode 28 Spoilers

So yeah if Second Invasion Base Yhwach fighting Ichibei wasn’t enough to prove he was transcendent/4-A this episode proves that he is in fact transcendent/4-A. He could block and survive attacks from True Shikai Ichigo with Blut. Also Ichibei’s probably stronger than True Shikai Ichigo based on this episode as well tbh.

Base Yhwach survived Ichigo’s Getsuga Jujisho with pretty much no injuries of getting knocked onto the ground. Ichibe on the other hand straight up crushed Yhwach’s Blut by flexing his muscles and made him bleed even without needing to weaken him.

Also not gonna lie after all the hype people said about this episode I really thought it was gonna be another Yamamoto vs Royd episode. But I guess it was overhyped. Like it’s good but not jaw dropping like episode 6.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Pierrot dropped HEAT this episode, holy shit.

Also Yhwach is old as hell, and Ichibei looked like he was on that bullshit he was in CFYOW

 

[Aernasilver]

Spoiler: This Episodes Keywords

The Almighty​

ユーハバッハの聖文字『A』の能力。未来のすべてを見通す事が可能で、発動時には眼球に複数の瞳が現れる。ユーハバッハは力の発現したその眼を「真の滅却師たる者の証」としており、見通したものをすべて「知る」事ができ、知った「力」を奪い、与える。そこに「理解」と「対策」の介在する余地はない。

ChatGPT Translation: Yhwach's Schrift, "A," grants him the power of Almighty. This ability allows him to foresee all possible futures. Upon activation, multiple pupils appear within his eyes. Yhwach refers to the manifestation of this power as the "proof of the true Quincy", signifying his ultimate status. With this ability, he can not only see everything that happens in the future but also "know" everything that occurs. This knowledge allows him to steal and bestow power as he sees fit. In the face of this, there is no room for understanding or countermeasures to intervene.

Triplet World​

原初の海から分かたれた尸魂界、現世、虚圏の三つの世界。遥く魂魄の流れを司る礎であり、かつ世界の根たる存在によって、霊子の世界、器子の世界、砂の楽土の三世界が分離され、「生」と「死」が隔てられた。

ChatGPT Translation: The three worlds—Soul Society (Seireitei), the World of the Living, and Hueco Mundo—were divided from the primordial sea. These worlds, governed by the flow of souls, were established by a foundational and essential existence, the very root of all worlds. This separation created the three realms: the world of spiritual particles (Reishi), the world of physical bodies, and the desert paradise of sand (Hueco Mundo), thus dividing life and death.

 

[Malekith]

Honestly, I wasn't expecting much from this fight, the animators would have to do everything from scratch with some guidance from Kubo and directors. The fights that have already happened in the manga will be very well animated, as there is all the choreography already done, the most interesting thing was the new information and contexts that added several aspects that were hidden in the work, 3 worlds, Reio, Transcendence etc.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Spoiler: Analysis bs

I like how the fight was a mirror if their first encounter, after Getsuga Tenshou Yhwach pursued Ichigo rather than the other way around, and unlike the last battle while Qualkries stomped him, he simply bitch slapped it away.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Blatant 2-C Reio statements we love it

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

It's a wonderful day indeed, now I have TWO episodes to rewatch the hell out of this cour

 

[Malekith]

Blatant 2-C Reio statements we love it

5D Primordial Sea

 

[GinDan]

Ukitake can heal ?

 

[Malekith]

Ukitake can heal ?

f zaraki bro

 

[Blallooo]

Blatant 2-C Reio statements we love it

What statement ?