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Don't mix up question with complaint genius.
It's cringe
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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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It's cringe
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What? I'm confused.
CodeCCLL
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You need to prove that each World has its own space-time continuum independently of each other and that shaking even affects the space-time continuums.
Both Worlds and Garganta are separated from each other by differences in time flow, but these differences can be explained by the gap between the Worlds. Therefore, it would make more sense to say that Garganta's space-time continuum includes all Worlds.
I think Bleach's current ratings are the best they can be for the content it has.
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Make it make sense when they have a hyperdimension within it lmao
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Let Arc work his magic
if he has proof of 2C anything in Bleach then it’s gonna be backed up with solid evidence. Anything that has to do with it will be decided once the Cour ends
if he has proof of 2C anything in Bleach then it’s gonna be backed up with solid evidence. Anything that has to do with it will be decided once the Cour ends
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Exactly.Let Arc work his magic
And I think cosmology vlog can be made right after this cour ends. I think this cour will touch relevant plot regarding cosmos anyway. We might not need to wait for next cour
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Kubo better give a good reason for the captains getting stronger. Same way the power ups for the Elite Quincy.
Because this means that the Captains fighting the Elite Quincy would get a buff compared to their manga counterpart.
Please, make the power scaling make sense Kubo.
Edit: I forgot this scene from the trailer, Yhwach is going to take back the buff that he gave them.
QUINCY ELITE DEPOWERED< NERF INCOMING!
CodeCCLL
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I want to mention one last thing.
If it were stated that any World had its own space-time continuum, the difference in time flow of the worlds would be enough to prove the existence of different space-time continuums, but this (difference in flow of time) would not be enough, if space-time continuums were never mentioned in the first place.
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If they elaborate a bit more on the cosmology itself, it'll be easy to get bleach to 5D
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Explicit statement of them being separate space time continuum is not needed for them to be separate space time continuum.
You don’t get it do you?
Simply existence of a hyperdimension invalidates your claim
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What about the dangai/precipice world that is between worlds but also is completely cut off from space and time of the other realms while being within the garganta.
Bastolan27
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Are you using the size of the observable universe times three, or just the observable universe itself? Because according to Arc’s calculation of shaking the three realms, each realm is the size of the observable universe.Creating the worlds is 1 minute? Timeframesplitting the universe into 3 pieces in one minute and the transmutation 2/3 of it is…
3-B Multi-Galaxy 10^69 feat
Bastolan27
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My calculation was based on 1 observable universe was split into 3 equal parts.
Bastolan27
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The Garganta being infinite? Sure. Any other realm? Absolutely not.
The Garganta is the only realm with an infinite size statement.
The Japanese statement about the Garganta can be interpreted as either "infinite expanse" or "infinitely expanding." However, using the official translation, which translates it as "endless expanse," the first interpretation is more accurate. Therefore, the Garganta is infinite. (Keep in mind that "infinite expanse" and "infinitely expanding" are two completely different things—check a dictionary.)
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Wouldn't this be enough.
Papa Arc is basically the president of Bleach scaling, so if he thinks 2-C Bleach exists, it probably does. And if he thinks Bleach caps at Low 2-C, it probably does. Just wait for his post-Cour 3 revision, and we’ll see how it turns out.
It should be 3 times the size of the observable universe, split into 3 equal parts.
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Digitally doing tricks on it is beyond crazy.
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For Squad 0’s reiatsu to traverse from soul society to world of the living it inherently traverses and interacts with both space and time. Given the two are spatiotemporally isolated. I want to make a 2-C Squad 0 thread but I’m going to let this and potentially the next cour conclude before deciding if that’s consistent
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yea probably best not to rush also considering all the cosmic stuff will be coming in these two cours.
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The living world Bleach doesn't come from the Big Bang, right ? So, there is no reason to use the size of the irl observable universe for the cosmology, there is also the fact that the living world is arround 1000 000 years old.
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Bro only messages this thread to downplay the verse.
It's so tragic.
It's so tragic.
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What are you talking about ? Why would i do it ?
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Each realms are infinite size universe on their own. There's obviously something, that's why I said so. And my reply would be same. Wait for cosmology vlog.
Garganta being infinite definitely impacts the cosmology size by massive mergin due to it containing hyperdimension within it. Someone capable of destroying garganta would easy slap someone who can one shot 3 worlds.
On different note dangai's durability should be abnormally higher than standard uni+ model.
Hellscream
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The Garganta being infinite? Sure. Any other realm? Absolutely not.
The Garganta is the only realm with an infinite size statement.
The Japanese statement about the Garganta can be interpreted as either "infinite expanse" or "infinitely expanding." However, using the official translation, which translates it as "endless expanse," the first interpretation is more accurate. Therefore, the Garganta is infinite. (Keep in mind that "infinite expanse" and "infinitely expanding" are two completely different things—check a dictionary.)
Dictionary.com | Meanings & Definitions of English Words
The world's leading online dictionary: English definitions, synonyms, word origins, example sentences, word games, and more. A trusted authority for 25+ years!expanse
1. a large, open area of land, water, or sky: 2. a large, open area of land…Definition of EXPANSE
firmament; great extent of something spread out… See the full definition
Wouldn't this be enough.
Papa Arc is basically the president of Bleach scaling, so if he thinks 2-C Bleach exists, it probably does. And if he thinks Bleach caps at Low 2-C, it probably does. Just wait for his post-Cour 3 revision, and we’ll see how it turns out.
It should be 3 times the size of the observable universe, split into 3 equal parts.
Uhh nah actually, there's an infinite amount of pocket sized dimensions due to blanks, and garganta is infinitely larger than those pocket dimensions.
To house an infinite amount of blanks, an infinite amount of space is needed, in this case pocket dimensions.
Especially since the pocket dimensions are created due to the blanks.
Blanks themselves are lost souls, so the question is how is there an infinite amount of blanks, when the amount of space in the "real world" is limited, a limited amount of space that has only existed for a certain amount of time can't create an infinite amount of souls.
This imgur, is referring to the blanks by the way.
All Souls migrate between the Human World and the Soul Society. From time to time however, there are souls who, for some reason, become detached in the cycle of transmigration while in the Dangai. These Souls wander aimlessly from the Dangai, and are slowly drawn together over a period of time. As the Souls come together, it causes a new dimension to open, creating The Valley of Screams. In the Valley of Screams, the souls separate into memory and energy before they return to the cycle of transmigration. The memories left from blanks fuse together and return to the living world in the form of "The Shinenju." The Blanks were eventually found by The Dark Ones, who learned to use them in order to further their own power.
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Can you provide any substantiation for that claim?
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Dude, as much as I like the high metas for Bleach scaling, if I’m not misremembering, last time I checked that statement in the Japanese version, the word used wasn't 'Mugen' (無限), but the word for Constant or something similar, i can't recall the exact word or kanji rn.
You can prove me wrong if you want, but if not then you will need another argument for it.
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ReaperAndBlues
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Arc will work his voodoo in time
although I'm one impatient bastard
Hellscream
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cba to fact check, i just remember the translation was infinite when i watched the movie.
It's not really a necessity either, you don't need an infinite construct.
As long as garganta is infinitely bigger, compared to the 4D constructs that are within it.
CodeCCLL
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The highest interpretation of this part, that each World has its own space-time continuum and Garganta has a different space-time continuum from them, is of course an notable thing. But given that the statement itself "Is cut off from the world of the living and the Soul Society, even from time and space". I'm not sure this.
A massive, NO.
If you're talking about significantly affecting a 2-C structure, you have to prove that the space-time continuums in question are significantly affected (like resetting/rewriting timelines). There's a difference between Senjumaru's Bankai significantly affecting a few snapshots of the space-time continuums, and having it affect all of the uncountably infinite snapshots of the space-time continuums.
I don't think you understand how extraordinary a claim it is that Senjumaru's Bankai affects the entire space-time continuum, but a shaking that affects the entire space-time continuums means that the entire past, present, and future of the 3 World are affected by this shaking.
CodeCCLL
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Do you know anything about Tier 2 other than "characters destroying universes"?Bruuhhh
This is his first time seeing any 2C argument I suppose. So it's a hard to swallow pill for him as it's bleach.
I wonder how many 2C characters attack actually affected past, present, future
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I can see someone who doesn’t know
Still wondering how many 2C characters attack here were shown to affect past, present, future
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この断界は名前の通り現世からも尸魂界からも時間と空間が断絶された場所だ
1. This Dangai, as the name suggests, is a place where time and space are severed from both the World of the Living and the Soul Society. (GPT)
2. This Dangai, as its name implies, is a place where time and space are completely severed from both the World of the Living and the Soul Society. (GPT)
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None of this entails it can't add consistency
