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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Reio35 said:
Blizted stronger sterns than yama who couldn't even blitz royd. Thats means oestu is probably faster then yama and on top of that has instant one shot hax.So if anything yama is lacking feats.

Yama couldn't due jack to azashiro either which is why the zero squad had to beat him
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Yama literally toyed with royd, and nothing correlat royd to the other sternitters, Yhwach could had very well amped him for his plan to trick Yama, you have no clue of what you are arguing. You are just saying oestu has better feats when I already proved Yama objectively scales massively above those sternitter oestu clapped.

good thing you shown here to read nothing, read SAFWY, squad zero came up before even Yama was in the battlefield, he didn’t even fight, azashiro’s zanpakuto explicitly say that azashiro would take a fat L by Yama, Keep being wrong tho.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Sure but that doesn’t answer my question, let’s say the Zanpakuto Rebellion arc is canon, fits within the story with no contradictions, that doesn’t make other filler arcs canon. That’s like saying Memories of Nobody being canon makes all Bleach movies canon.
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No. The other filler arcs are not canon.
 
luis3333 said:
why does it not say in ulquiora's profile that he is stronger swords when the narrative supports this
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What exactly are you asking? if you're talking about AP then we do scale Ulquiorra above most of the higher ranking Espada like Starkk and Baraggan while in Segunda Etapa, hell we even scale him above their Res's.
 
luis3333 said:
why does it not say in ulquiora's profile that he is stronger swords when the narrative supports this
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Because the narrative doesn't support it and Yammy is stated like three times across the manga and databooks to be stronger than Ulquiorra
 
I was referring to this contradictory when it is implied that Ulquiora was the strongest (s a higher-ranking Espada than Ulquiorra, his Cero Oscuras should be at least be this strong)
 
Purgy said:
Because the narrative doesn't support it and Yammy is stated like three times across the manga and databooks to be stronger than Ulquiorra
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aizen is unaware of the second resurrection of ulquiorra ichigo by that point he was already leagues stronger zaraki and byakuya
 
luis3333 said:
ichigo by that point he was already leagues stronger zaraki and byakuya
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He wasn't, nothing proves he was. Zaraki and Byakuya have better feats compared to Ichigo during this point of the arc, which means we'd scale them above Ichigo.

Also the "Aizen was unaware of Segunda Etapa" isn't a concrete statement either, this is from Ulquoirra's perspective, not some omniscient narrator, it doesn't mean Aizen didn't know about SE just because Aizen "supposedly" never saw Ulquiorra go SE. You can make that assumption but i'd counter it by saying Aizen was the one who gave Ulquiorra his SE and such would have intimate knowledge of the form.
 
Deceived said:
He wasn't, nothing proves he was. Zaraki and Byakuya have better feats compared to Ichigo during this point of the arc, which means we'd scale them above Ichigo.

Also the "Aizen was unaware of Segunda Etapa" isn't a concrete statement either, this is from Ulquoirra's perspective, not some omniscient narrator, it doesn't mean Aizen didn't know about SE just because Aizen "supposedly" never saw Ulquiorra go SE. You can make that assumption but i'd counter it by saying Aizen was the one who gave Ulquiorra his SE and such would have intimate knowledge of the form.
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No he wasn't. You do know espada train and get stronger on their own? And the databook implies ulq learn this form on his own.
 
Deceived said:
He wasn't, nothing proves he was. Zaraki and Byakuya have better feats compared to Ichigo during this point of the arc, which means we'd scale them above Ichigo.

Also the "Aizen was unaware of Segunda Etapa" isn't a concrete statement either, this is from Ulquoirra's perspective, not some omniscient narrator, it doesn't mean Aizen didn't know about SE just because Aizen "supposedly" never saw Ulquiorra go SE. You can make that assumption but i'd counter it by saying Aizen was the one who gave Ulquiorra his SE and such would have intimate knowledge of the form.
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Even the db stated aizen never saw the form
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Never saw =/= doesn’t know tbf

Aizen never saw Ichigo’s full hollow but he alluded to having knowledge on Ichigo possessing such a powerful form
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He never saw that form either. He concluded he got a greater power after fighting ulqurriora. When he was felt his getsuga

Plp act like aizen has cosmic awareness. If that was the case then why,would he build a fake sun so he can monitor plp in los noches?
 
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Reio35 said:
No he wasn't
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He wasn't what? i have no idea what you're responding to with this statement ngl.

Reio35 said:
You do know espada train and get stronger on their own?
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Yes? doesn't prove that Ulquiorra gained his Segunda Etapa through training when that's quite literally never shown or implied with any other Esapda, or just Arrancar's in general, even those who are stronger/train harder then Ulquiorra like Cien Grantz and Grimmjow don't have Segunda Etapa. You'd require a higher preponderance of evidence to assume that Ulquiorra trained to get that form compared to the claim that Aizen gave him that form through the Hogyoku.

Both of our claims require assumptions, it's just that my claim has less assumptions intertwine within it compared to your claim.

Reio35 said:
And the databook implies ulq learn this form on his own
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Proof?

Reio35 said:
Even the db stated aizen never saw the form
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Proof?
 
Unmasked does state that Ulquiorra's R2 was never shown to Aizen much like the manga, but that doesn't really mean he couldn't have been aware of it
 
Tbh only zaraki is stronger than Ichigo at that point given he was clapping yammy with the eyepatch on

byakuya probably just supported him against yammy, zaraki hate when someone help him fight, he would probably attack byakuya if he try to do 2vs1
 
Just saw how Yama will look like with the flame armour,ngl looks kinda funny in the screenshot. Looks like a floating Head with a fire Body 😂
 
Tyri456 said:
Tbh only zaraki is stronger than Ichigo at that point given he was clapping yammy with the eyepatch on

byakuya probably just supported him against yammy, zaraki hate when someone help him fight, he would probably attack byakuya if he try to do 2vs1
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No the databooks state Byakuya, Jenny, and Yammy put up a good fight against each other
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Ah yes repeated statements of Yammy’s maximal Res being the strongest in the Espada is so unreliable 🗿 stop coping cuz you don’t like Yammy
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I ain't getting into this argument with you right now....maybe some other time in VC


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Bleach debaters are annoying asf in this era, whenever they don't like a scaling they say oh Kubo didn't think about this, Kubo was an idiot when he draw that scene, Narita is a wanker,,etc
 
Deceived said:
He wasn't what? i have no idea what you're responding to with this statement ngl.


Yes? doesn't prove that Ulquiorra gained his Segunda Etapa through training when that's quite literally never shown or implied with any other Esapda, or just Arrancar's in general, even those who are stronger/train harder then Ulquiorra like Cien Grantz and Grimmjow don't have Segunda Etapa. You'd require a higher preponderance of evidence to assume that Ulquiorra trained to get that form compared to the claim that Aizen gave him that form through the Hogyoku.
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1.You made you the assumption aizen just gave him the power. While ignoring the fact espada have shown to get stronger through their own training like nnoritora. Who jumped from rank 8 to 5.

2.If ulq and the databook both state that aizen has not seen this form. That implies he is not aware of it. Otherwise what would be the point of this statement?

Translations
"Ulquiorra is the only one of the arrancar that is capable of releasing the second stage. Its appearance is that of a demon itself."

"The limbs and wings transform like a beast, giving a thick and heavy spiritual pressure at the second stage. It is has not been shown to aizen, and only Ulquiorra can be mutated within the espada."

"The reason why even Aizen, to whom Ulquiorra swears allegiance, has not seen his second level, is because he subconsciously realizes that this is the original form of his own clan, which is the origin of Ulquiorra's own "nothingness".

He would logically have to had awakened this form on his own as aizen is not aware of it.
Deceived said:
Both of our claims require assumptions, it's just that my claim has less assumptions intertwine within it compared to your claim.
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They don't you claims require a more extreme assumption.
Deceived said:
Proof?


Proof?
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