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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

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Yammy > Ulquiorra R.I.P. argument.

sauce

aka Yammy’s Cero blast and Cero Oscuras > Lanza Del Relampago. 🤡🤡🤡
Ulq > Yammy. Ulqs SP couldn't be measured anymore once he transformed unlike Yammy who still could be measured.
 
the toshiro scene has a problem, as all the divisions are not straight (one after the other)

but rather everything divided in the circle
 
Still confuses me to this day why Viz decided to go with the Chinese li when converting Ichibe's 1000 ri and Toshiro's 3 ri for a Japanese manga 🗿
A good while ago I found some discussion about this on some random forum where a dude who knew some Viz translators that worked on Bleach said that they basically just googled "Ri" and picked the first option.

Dunno how true that statement is tho (but it's Viz, so who know).
 
Nope he just asked if she would use them because she thinks he is unaware of them, it could be interpreted as making a surprise attack on him, he said I knew about them and if you could produce VL Ichigo powers it would be troublesome, supported by the fact that Ulq himself said Espada 3-1 are stronger than him,
Based on the rank given to him by aizen. Man literally goes out his way to say aizen didn't see his strongest implying he's stronger than wht hes ranked.
by Kubo's ranking in unmasked which takes into account every state of the espada, he put Grimmjow after his hand was erased at the 12th, Yammy at 0 after his release, and Ulq was only the 4th.
Show the scan him putting girmmjow at 12. Hell one are grimmjow was still far above yammy who got negged by bankai ichigo. One arm grimmjow took blows from masked ichigo and shinji.

He used the,same ranks aizen gave in the manga hush
FYI, Cien's cero was compared to that of VL Ichigo which negated Ulq's cero easily, and after Cien was hit by it, he asked her if she will use a stronger attack than that like Starrk's wolfs, so if anything, Cien said Roka believes Starrk had an attack thats > his GRC > Ulq's attacks in his SE lol.
The both canceled each other out cause they were equal proving ulq is around VLs level. Starrks wolves amplify his normal ap.
Sorry but nothing in the series supports "Ulq >> other espada", Ulq himself didn't believe in that, Aizen didn't believe in that, Cien didn't believe in that, and Kubo didn't believe in that, only you and Clyde believe this terrible scaling and ignore all the statements shown in the manga and the databook.
Cien did stop being dishonest.

Cien words verbatim.

"And you probably thought coping either of those powers you could kill me"

This clearly means SE and VL are strongest forms in HM she can copy.
 
Based on the rank given to him by aizen. Man literally goes out his way to say aizen didn't see his strongest implying he's stronger than wht hes ranked.

Show the scan him putting girmmjow at 12. Hell one are grimmjow was still far above yammy who got negged by bankai ichigo. One arm grimmjow took blows from masked ichigo and shinji.

He used the,same ranks aizen gave in the manga hush

The both canceled each other out cause they were equal proving ulq is around VLs level. Starrks wolves amplify his normal ap.

Cien did stop being dishonest.

Cien words verbatim.

"And you probably thought coping either of those powers you could kill me"

This clearly means SE and VL are strongest forms in HM she can copy.
Unemployed grindset 💯
 
As it looks like the new Seireitei size is going to be accepted, what calcs will it actually affect?

I'm pretty sure it makes Gremmy's meteor go from 6-A to High 6-A, but not sure about any others.
 
Is anyone can help me with rewording my CRT. I found some more proof for information manipulation based on canon movie MON. if the CRT gets accepted bleach NPI would be sky rocketed. Also information type 2 manipulation itself is pretty good ability.
 
As it looks like the new Seireitei size is going to be accepted, what calcs will it actually affect?

I'm pretty sure it makes Gremmy's meteor go from 6-A to High 6-A, but not sure about any others.
I’ll blog all the affected calcs if it gets accepted
 
Based on the rank given to him by aizen. Man literally goes out his way to say aizen didn't see his strongest implying he's stronger than wht hes ranked.
Headcanon
Show the scan him putting girmmjow at 12
There

Hell one are grimmjow was still far above yammy who got negged by bankai ichigo. One arm grimmjow took blows from masked ichigo and shinji.
Nobody cares about your scaling
He used the,same ranks aizen gave in the manga hush
Headcanon
The both canceled each other out cause they were equal proving ulq is around VLs level.
No they aren't equals lol, VL blocked Lanza bare handed wtf are you talking about? And oh correct don't tell me he used a special hierro because that's another head canon
Starrks wolves amplify his normal ap.
🤡 as if Cero osceras doesn't amplify Ulq's attack potency by 10 times more than normal cero


Cien did stop being dishonest.
He didn't, stop crying
Cien words verbatim.

"And you probably thought coping either of those powers you could kill me"

This clearly means SE and VL are strongest forms in HM she can copy.
Cien was talking about what Roka thought, he said before that Roka thought if she copied Starrk or Barragan, she will make a more powerful attack that Cien's GRC which was compared to VL who was able to destroy Ulq and stomp on his face, you wanna take what Roka thinks as facts? Sure Starrk's wolfs > Cien GRC > Ulq.

However Cien corrected here and said it will be troublesome to fight against only VL Ichigo, your 4th ranked character isn't included in this.

Cien said nothing in HM surpassed Starrk, Barragan and Yammy except himself and Aizen.



Conclusion: Clyde fans doesn't have a single argument that supports their scaling, when you bring Kubo's ranking, Ulq's statements, and Cien's, they will use their headcanon and twist the texts in anyway that suits them.
 
Headcanon

There


Nobody cares about your scaling

Headcanon

No they aren't equals lol, VL blocked Lanza bare handed wtf are you talking about? And oh correct don't tell me he used a special hierro because that's another head canon

🤡 as if Cero osceras doesn't amplify Ulq's attack potency by 10 times more than normal cero



He didn't, stop crying

Cien was talking about what Roka thought, he said before that Roka thought if she copied Starrk or Barragan, she will make a more powerful attack that Cien's GRC which was compared to VL who was able to destroy Ulq and stomp on his face, you wanna take what Roka thinks as facts? Sure Starrk's wolfs > Cien GRC > Ulq.
Barrgan,starrks and yammys powers were possible powers he thought sje would use. Then he later says the most probable powers she would is SE or VL because their the strongest
However Cien corrected here and said it will be troublesome to fight against only VL Ichigo, your 4th ranked character isn't included in this.

Cien said nothing in HM surpassed Starrk, Barragan and Yammy except himself and Aizen.
He later back tracked and said VL ichigo was stronger and her best chance at beating him.
Conclusion: Clyde fans doesn't have a single argument that supports their scaling, when you bring Kubo's ranking, Ulq's statements, and Cien's, they will use their headcanon and twist the texts in anyway that suits them.
 
Ulquiorra's arguments for his higher end scaling like Reio's trying to propose are actual ass cheeks. Nnoitra unironically has better high end arguments/interpretations compared to Ulquiorra.
 
Ulquiorra's arguments for his higher end scaling like Reio's trying to propose are actual ass cheeks. Nnoitra unironically has better high end arguments/interpretations compared to Ulquiorra.
Not at all

Ulqs cero was equal to VLs. Ulq cutt VLs horn while he was charging a cero. Thiers way more going for ulq tbh
 
Not at all

Ulqs cero was equal to VLs. Ulq cutt VLs horn while he was charging a cero. Thiers way more going for ulq tbh
Where are you getting equal from? Zangetsu's Cero's completely overpowered and negated Ulquiorra's Cero's...why do you think there's pretty much zero scaling between Ulquiorra/Zangetsu on Ulquiorra's profile?

Ulquiorra's Lanza was effortlessly obliterated and no sold by Zangetsu with his hand alone, they're not even close.
 
Where are you getting equal from? Zangetsu's Cero's completely overpowered and negated Ulquiorra's Cero's...why do you think there's pretty much zero scaling between Ulquiorra/Zangetsu on Ulquiorra's profile?
In the anime it did. But in the manga they both canceled each other which means their equal
Ulquiorra's Lanza was effortlessly obliterated and no sold by Zangetsu with his hand alone, they're not even close.
Read the manga again VL ichigo amprf his hand to break it
 
Ulqs cero was equal to VLs
It wasn't? it was just relative enough to counteract Hollow Ichigo's Cero. Also that was Ulquiorra's Cero Oscuras, an attack which is directly stated to be a 10x amp compared to his basic ceros. Which means Ulquiorra needed an attack that was 10x above his usual output to barely counteract one of Hollow Ichigo's basic cero's.

That isn't equal in anyone's eyes but yours.

Ulq cutt VLs horn while he was charging a cero
What does this prove exactly? that Hollow Ichigo's horn is relative in durability to the AP of his Cero's?

Thiers way more going for ulq tbh
Literally no.... just no.
 
In the anime it did. But in the manga they both canceled each other which means their equal

Read the manga again VL ichigo amprf his hand to break it
No they did not, the word used is "quashed", to "quash" something is to put an end to/suppress, all we're told is that Zangetsu's Cero pretty much destroyed Ulquiorra's, nothing about Ulquiorra's doing the same.
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And the raw goes a step further and states Zangetsu's Cero wiped out/extinguished/blew it away

それも黒虚閃を消し飛ばす程の...

消し飛ばす = to extinguish/wipe out
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And of course this was a Cero Oscuras, which are 10x stronger than Ulquiorra's regular ones, putting the gap between Ulquiorra and 50% Zangetsu at a bare minimum of greater than 10x, not even remotely close.

I don't see how Zangetsu growing his nails a bit is an amp that lets him literally palm tank Ulquiorra's strongest ability...
 
Ulquiorra cero never compared to the vasto Lorde, the manga say that the vasto lorde cero annihilated ulquiorra cero, and if you look at the anime, the vasto lorde cero completely overwhelmed ulquiorra cero easily, there is no scaling between the vasto lorde and ulquiorra.

for the strongest hierro or fastest espada or any other title, it is more like just a figure of speech to show what the espada is good at, o simply those espada have those ability as higher amp compared to other espada, but not necessarily being the highest.

this because is clearly explained that lower number > stronger, look at stark in hueco mundo, in his base form has the highest speed feat of the espada by blitzing zaraki over hundred of meters, (res nnoitra was getting blitzed by zaraki so bad) so yeah, even in his base he is far faster than res zoomari.

ichigo is weak af during the arracar arc, Shunsui would have clapped 2nd etapa Ulquiorra.
 
No they did not, the word used is "quashed", to "quash" something is to put an end to/suppress, all we're told is that Zangetsu's Cero pretty much destroyed Ulquiorra's, nothing about Ulquiorra's doing the same.
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And the raw goes a step further and states Zangetsu's Cero wiped out/extinguished/blew it away

それも黒虚閃を消し飛ばす程の...

消し飛ばす = to extinguish/wipe out
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And of course this was a Cero Oscuras, which are 10x stronger than Ulquiorra's regular ones, putting the gap between Ulquiorra and 50% Zangetsu at a bare minimum of greater than 10x, not even remotely close.
They extinguished each other fam. That's why they both exploded when they collided. Even if you argued ichigo's over powered his that means ulq would have to tank vl's cero.

Also we know ulq can tank his own cero oscuras. If he can hold and control his lanzas power which if far stronger. He even implies he can tank lanza.
I don't see how Zangetsu growing his nails a bit is an amp that lets him literally palm tank Ulquiorra's strongest ability...
Why else would turn black and grow long when he's trying to break an attack? Just for eye candy ig
 
Ulquiorra cero never compared to the vasto Lorde, the manga say that the vasto lorde cero annihilated ulquiorra cero, and if you look at the anime, the vasto lorde cero completely overwhelmed ulquiorra cero easily, there is no scaling between the vasto lorde and ulquiorra.
In the anime ulq tanked hid cero after VL overpowered. VL shots another cero after and they both cancel each other because they were equal.
for the strongest hierro or fastest espada or any other title, it is more like just a figure of speech to show what the espada is good at, o simply those espada have those ability as higher amp compared to other espada, but not necessarily being the highest.

this because is clearly explained that lower number > stronger, look at stark in hueco mundo, in his base form has the highest speed feat of the espada by blitzing zaraki over hundred of meters, (res nnoitra was getting blitzed by zaraki so bad) so yeah, even in his base he is far faster than res zoomari.

ichigo is weak af during the arracar arc, Shunsui would have clapped 2nd etapa Ulquiorra.
Ulq packs shunsui fam
 
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