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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Lucky for us there is literally nothing indicating it is hyperbolic, it is simply a bland narrator statement 🤡 lemme guess you think the GRC can bust LN and WSK prevents the destruction of the realms is hyperbolic too 🤡
 
A hyperbole is a term that refers to statements made in a particular work of fiction that are exaggerations of the actual truth of the matter.
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GRC got more than one statement and it's been brought up too many times and WoG already stated in databook 😴. Also unlike Ginjo getting a Massive amp out of nowhere which suites better as a Hyperbole. I don't see how GRC is hyperbolic also WSK death literally has feats not once but twice and it's been clearly shown.

Ginjo amped with emotions and suddenly becomes Yhwach level.
Ginjo has same potential growth as Ichigo (which is never mentioned anywhere) but Ichigo never got any amps with his emotions.
Ginjo GT is only hyped up for a single moment which isn't making sense to scale his fodder GT to yhwach level.

It's funny how just so we don't agree with GINJO sudden amp scaling to Ichigo strongest Getsuga tensho you people are acting like we don't consider novels aren't canon. It's just strawman argument. Also if you people want to believe he is on Ichigo level beleive so. Per wiki explanation page regarding Hyperbole explain how those statements works i will consider as it Hyperbole that's all.

"Blad narrative statement" oops we know PSK Transcended everything by narratively and we have statement of yhwach having Full power of SK. So we don't consider that as narrative and scale yhwach to whole realm. Bur we only cherry picking Ginjo GT to scale to Ichigo. That's crazy.

Me --- point out one thing Ginjo GT is nowhere near strongest GT of Ichigo.

Some bleach supporters in wiki --- oh no. So you think novels aren't canon 🗿.

Same people literary ignores all statements for other characters. Lmao if you people think WOG from novels is legit and true for everything we wouldn't be getting Planetary bleach 😴.
 
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Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
GRC got more than one statement and it's been brought up too many times and WoG already stated in databook 😴. Also unlike Ginjo getting a Massive amp out of nowhere which suites better as a Hyperbole. I don't see how GRC is hyperbolic also WSK death literally has feats not once but twice and it's been clearly shown.

Ginjo amped with emotions and suddenly becomes Yhwach level.
Ginjo has same potential growth as Ichigo (which is never mentioned anywhere) but Ichigo never got any amps with his emotions.
Ginjo GT is only hyped up for a single moment which isn't making sense to scale his fodder GT to yhwach level.

It's funny how just so we don't agree with GINJO sudden amp scaling to Ichigo strongest Getsuga tensho you people are acting like we don't consider novels aren't canon. It's just strawman argument. Also if you people want to believe he is on Ichigo level beleive so. Per wiki explanation page regarding Hyperbole explain how those statements works i will consider as it Hyperbole that's all.

"Blad narrative statement" oops we know PSK Transcended everything by narratively and we have statement of yhwach having Full power of SK. So we don't consider that as narrative and scale yhwach to whole realm. Bur we only cherry picking Ginjo GT to scale to Ichigo. That's crazy.

Me --- point out one thing Ginjo GT is nowhere near strongest GT of Ichigo.

Some bleach supporters in wiki --- oh no. So you think novels aren't canon 🗿.

Same people literary ignores all statements for other characters. Lmao if you people think WOG from novels is legit and true for everything we wouldn't be getting Planetary bleach 😴.
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sounds like a whole lotta coping and incredulity. Ginjo scales to tb Ichigo end of story
 
Deathberry said:
sounds like a whole lotta coping and incredulity. Ginjo scales to tb Ichigo end of story
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Your assumption Ginjo scale to Ichigo strongest Getsuga tensho with emotions amp. Ginjo has more potential than Ichigo ( which was never stated ) having similar power would give same level of potential ( i wonder why toki struggle to slam others even though having similar level of power like Aizen and Yama).

Ichigo main MC gets into many situations where his emotions should boost his power but we never got to see anything. All he got was Aizen stopping his emotions amped version with one finger 😴.

That's an hyperbolic statement for now get over it.

"With emotion"

I mean Ichigo with emotions not even finger level of Aizen 😂
Ichigo with emotion got negged by Ulquiorra, for example
Where were emotions there?
Don't forget Hiyori with emotions got stomped
Toshiro with emotions got oneshotted
Aizen with emotions got sealed
Emotions in Bleach have some crazy feats fr

I am coping with all this fr. Emotional amps in bleach is huge amp you can just upgrade from zero to hero.

Fr Ginjo growth rate > Ichigo growth rate and Ginjo can amped by emotions where Ichigo is just a fodder gets negged everywhere with emotions.

Oops 😬 what happened to FB Ichigo who had emotions got stomped by holding back yhwach and Jugram one shoted and broke off tensa zangestu 😱. Crazy.
 
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Arcker123 said:
Isn’t the statement from a narrator? Since when are those hyperbole?
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Ginjo’s isn’t hyperbolic at all. Hyperbolic statements are easily identified as they use a lot of flowery language, metaphorical statements, and normally accompanied with exaggerated punctuation. Idiot kid also hasn’t read my CRT that got Ginjo accepted at that level since he’s parading that Ginjo only has one statement.
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
GRC got more than one statement and it's been brought up too many times and WoG already stated in databook 😴.
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WoG stated emotion amped GT = TB GT
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
Also unlike Ginjo getting a Massive amp out of nowhere which suites better as a Hyperbole. I don't see how GRC is hyperbolic
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How about the fact Ichigo slapped it and all we got was some smoke? Constant statements and nothing to show for it when it actually happens is more hyperbolic than a single time attack that a guy can’t replicate being super strong.
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
Ginjo amped with emotions and suddenly becomes Yhwach level.
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Ginjo was stated to be able to scrap with Res Hikone who is Yhwach’s level, stated to be able to be the SK, outperforms everyone else in the Novel not Kisuke and Aura with just his base etc etc. This isn’t just some random thing for the hell of it. Ginjo is constantly held on a level far beyond that of the novel’s entire cast sans Kenny, Kisuke and Aura (far more than the GRC statements) and then receives a one use amp that is far beyond his standard power. If you disagree with this, you should disagree with Mugetsu being >>> everything else at the time because it’s the exact same shit. Even the destruction it caused supports Ginjo slapping up SK tier opponents, mountains being wiped from existence just like Dangai Ichigo’s swings.
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
Ginjo has same potential growth as Ichigo (which is never mentioned anywhere)
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Ginjo is the same cocktail of species as Ichigo which lesser cocktails are noted for their ability to break past their limits.
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
but Ichigo never got any amps with his emotions.
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This is just objectively wrong. Emotion amps aren’t even limited to Ichigo.
  • Ichigo literally got a resolve amp from Orihime in the final Grimmjow fight that took him from being ping ponged around LN to catching Grimm’s attack while facing the other way.
  • Chad resolved and hyped himself on his friendship with Ichigo against Shunsui and threw out an attack Shunsui stated could have harmed him.
  • Ichigo got depressed against Grand Fisher and got weaker, saw his mom’s final memories and amped to the point of body slamming Grand Fisher.
  • Ichigo got negged by Bakudo 1, saw his sister in trouble and snapped that shit even though his soul should have imploded from trying.
  • Every Fullbringer with their personal Fullbrings ever. The power literally functions on your emotional attachment to the object in question so Ginjo’s primary power is literally about emotion amping.
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
Ginjo GT is only hyped up for a single moment which isn't making sense to scale his fodder GT to yhwach level.
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Okay so his single attack is hyped for the single moment it exists and was ever used with no other statement about its strength besides that it’s target would die if it touched him. You understand that this supports the attack being TB GT level right?
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
Same people literary ignores all statements for other characters. Lmao if you people think WOG from novels is legit and true for everything we wouldn't be getting Planetary bleach 😴.
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Bro ….. are you daft? A bunch of the people saying you are wrong are also the ones that support galaxy and uni Bleach. The Ginjo thing got passed because there is nothing to contradict the only time it’s ever used since no one there scales to it.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
WoG stated emotion amped GT = TB GT

How about the fact Ichigo slapped it and all we got was some smoke? Constant statements and nothing to show for it when it actually happens is more hyperbolic than a single time attack that a guy can’t replicate being super strong.

Ginjo was stated to be able to scrap with Res Hikone who is Yhwach’s level, stated to be able to be the SK, outperforms everyone else in the Novel not Kisuke and Aura with just his base etc etc. This isn’t just some random thing for the hell of it. Ginjo is constantly held on a level far beyond that of the novel’s entire cast sans Kenny, Kisuke and Aura (far more than the GRC statements) and then receives a one use amp that is far beyond his standard power. If you disagree with this, you should disagree with Mugetsu being >>> everything else at the time because it’s the exact same shit. Even the destruction it caused supports Ginjo slapping up SK tier opponents, mountains being wiped from existence just like Dangai Ichigo’s swings.

Ginjo is the same cocktail of species as Ichigo which lesser cocktails are noted for their ability to break past their limits.

This is just objectively wrong. Emotion amps aren’t even limited to Ichigo.
  • Ichigo literally got a resolve amp from Orihime in the final Grimmjow fight that took him from being ping ponged around LN to catching Grimm’s attack while facing the other way.
  • Chad resolved and hyped himself on his friendship with Ichigo against Shunsui and threw out an attack Shunsui stated could have harmed him.
  • Ichigo got depressed against Grand Fisher and got weaker, saw his mom’s final memories and amped to the point of body slamming Grand Fisher.
  • Ichigo got negged by Bakudo 1, saw his sister in trouble and snapped that shit even though his soul should have imploded from trying.
  • Every Fullbringer with their personal Fullbrings ever. The power literally functions on your emotional attachment to the object in question so Ginjo’s primary power is literally about emotion amping.

Okay so his single attack is hyped for the single moment it exists and was ever used with no other statement about its strength besides that it’s target would die if it touched him. You understand that this supports the attack being TB GT level right?

Bro ….. are you daft? A bunch of the people saying you are wrong are also the ones that support galaxy and uni Bleach. The Ginjo thing got passed because there is nothing to contradict the only time it’s ever used since no one there scales to it.
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SK Yhwach amped with all sterns >>>>> SK Yhwach >>>>> Almighty yhwach >>>>>Base yhwach amped with Sterns (Gremmy and Royd biggest amps) >>>>>> Base yhwach >~ Bankai Yama >>> >>>Shikai Yama>>> Shunsui ~ Ginjo.

Emotional amped Ginjo reaches SK Yhwach who was amped with Sterns and Ichigo powers. Wow how to get stronger with Emotional amp. Ichigo is just a fodder who couldn't get amped by emotions and lost to base yhwach 🤧.
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
SK Yhwach amped with all sterns >>>>> SK Yhwach >>>>> Almighty yhwach >>>>>Base yhwach amped with Sterns (Gremmy and Royd biggest amps) >>>>>> Base yhwach >~ Bankai Yama >>> >>>Shikai Yama>>> Shunsui ~ Ginjo.

Emotional amped Ginjo reaches SK Yhwach who was amped with Sterns and Ichigo powers. Wow how to get stronger with Emotional amp. Ichigo is just a fodder who couldn't get amped by emotions and lost to base yhwach 🤧.
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Did you miss the fact that Yhwach went out of his way to break Ichigo’s spirit and added Ichigo’s powers to his own, and then Ichigo resolved himself, came back in just Bankai completely exhausted and folded Yhwach twice?
 
AnonymousBlank said:
Did you miss the fact that Yhwach went out of his way to break Ichigo’s spirit and added Ichigo’s powers to his own, and then Ichigo resolved himself, came back in just Bankai completely exhausted and folded Yhwach twice?
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Yhwach took half of Ichigo powers still Shinigami powers remained in Ichigo and near death moment amps SP, tsukishima altered small Ichigo past and his Quincy powers came back. Also yhwach got off-guard.
Also having more reatsu doesn't mean a thing if they can't output look at what happened to sealed Aizen his range was limited.
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
Ginjo literally states if he fought ukitake one of them would have dead or something in volume 1. Ukitake was relative to Shunsui.
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A) He's speaking past tense, so not inherently applicable to now
B) Ginjo has never met Ukitake, thus he is no authority on Ukitake

Being prepared to die for vengeance doesn't mean he can or would die in a fight with Ukitake.
Also, Ukitake had more reiatsu than post Gremmy Kenpachi, but was nerfed by his ailment, so Ginjo could've been overestimating Ukitake, etc etc. Regardless Ginjo has no way of accurately measuring Ukitake's combat prowess.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
A) He's speaking past tense, so not inherently applicable to now
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Just 6 months past & he never said he gotten strong from that time.
Arc7Kuroi said:
B) Ginjo has never met Ukitake, thus he is no authority on Ukitake
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😑😑😑 Really.? Ginjo become a substitute Soul reaper under ukitake care he himself is credible source.
Arc7Kuroi said:
Being prepared to die for vengeance doesn't mean he can or would die in a fight with Ukitake.
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I thought we’d die on each other’s swords.

It's doesn't seem Ginjo was joking
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Also, Ukitake had more reiatsu than post Gremmy Kenpachi, but was nerfed by his ailment, so Ginjo could've been overestimating Ukitake, etc etc. Regardless Ginjo has no way of accurately measuring Ukitake's combat prowess.
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Ukitake has no anti feats. Ofcourse he had more reastu still able to fight alongside Shunsui without holding him back. Everyone knows ukitake wasn't healthy Ginjo has no means to say he would die from ukitake.
 
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Tbf the novel has some awful statements that gets contradicted in the same arc. Like Meniness stated by the narrator to have power comparable to Kenpachi, then in the same arc Kenpachi is shown to be far superior to her. Same for Ginjo's Getsuga being on par with Ichigo's strongest Getsuga but Tokinada survived it after being directly hit by it... though he got massively injured.
While a nerfed Ichigo's Getsuga one shotted Yhwach.

Not denying Ginjo's tier btw, he's obviously more powerful than Tokinada and stated he can hold his on against Hikone, but I just can't take his Getsuga being on the same level as Ichigo's seriously.
 
M11UTD said:
Tbf the novel has some awful statements that gets contradicted in the same arc. Like Meniness stated by the narrator to have power comparable to Kenpachi, then in the same arc Kenpachi is shown to be far superior to her. Same for Ginjo's Getsuga being on par with Ichigo's strongest Getsuga but Tokinada survived it after being directly hit by it... though he got massively injured.
While a nerfed Ichigo's Getsuga one shotted Yhwach.

Not denying Ginjo's tier btw, he's obviously more powerful than Tokinada and stated he can hold his on against Hikone, but I just can't take his Getsuga being on the same level as Ichigo's seriously.
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True.
 
M11UTD said:
So we treating these 2 Getsugas differently?
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Yes because the narrator goes out of their way to comment how the first GT was uncharacteristically amped by his emotional state. Ginjo isn’t normally Ichigo level, only when amped by his emotions.
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
Your assumption Ginjo scale to Ichigo strongest Getsuga tensho with emotions amp. Ginjo has more potential than Ichigo ( which was never stated ) having similar power would give same level of potential ( i wonder why toki struggle to slam others even though having similar level of power like Aizen and Yama).

Ichigo main MC gets into many situations where his emotions should boost his power but we never got to see anything. All he got was Aizen stopping his emotions amped version with one finger 😴.

For me that's an hyperbolic statement for now get over it.

"With emotion"

I mean Ichigo with emotions not even finger level of Aizen 😂
Ichigo with emotion got negged by Ulquiorra, for example
Where were emotions there?
Don't forget Hiyori with emotions got stomped
Toshiro with emotions got oneshotted
Aizen with emotions got sealed
Emotions in Bleach have some crazy feats fr

I am coping with all this fr. Emotional amps in bleach is huge amp you can just upgrade from zero to hero.

Fr Ginjo growth rate > Ichigo growth rate and Ginjo can amped by emotions where Ichigo is just a fodder gets negged everywhere with emotions.

Oops 😬 what happened to FB Ichigo who had emotions got stomped by holding back yhwach and Jugram one shoted and broke off tensa zangestu 😱. Crazy.
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"for me" is just a way of saying "i don't wanna accept it so it's hyperbolic even if there is no evidence for it being hyperbolic"
 
Deathberry said:
"for me" is just a way of saying "i don't wanna accept it so it's hyperbolic even if there is no evidence for it being hyperbolic"
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A hyperbole is a term that refers to statements made in a particular work of fiction that are exaggerations of the actual truth of the matter. Often hyperboles are used as evidence in debates, and it can be very difficult to tell if a statement is a hyperbole or not. A general rule is that if a...
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Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
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Hyperbole

A hyperbole is a term that refers to statements made in a particular work of fiction that are exaggerations of the actual truth of the matter. Often hyperboles are used as evidence in debates, and it can be very difficult to tell if a statement is a hyperbole or not. A general rule is that if a...
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