What's wrong with their physicals scaling to CO?
I don’t disagree with you on Ulquiorra easily damaging Ichigo when he blocked his attack, but his CO ****** Ichigo up lol. Man lost not only his mask, but almost all of his bankai cloak and was extremely wounded. That said, they could very well scale to the full yeild of CO since Ulquiorra’s first attack seemed pretty casual
it is possible that aizen could break out, but I doubt that as he let yhwach do it for him and thanked him, safer to say he can't but likely could break someone else out if he wasnt restricted and someone else was (like what yhwach did)
Because it makes no sense for Ceros (which have always been relative to their striking) to be a magnitude weaker than anything else they can do. I’d say more but Damage is gonna have a CRT on it so we can save it for then.
Ichigo seems to be relatively unharmed from taking CO directly without even blocking imo, though you are right about half his outfit getting destroyed.
Yhwach destroyed the chair, not the restrictions that was used to keep his Reiatsu close, which is why he could not take down Reiokyo as it was explained by Kyoraku
Fax, imagine thinking that destroying Chair-sama’s avatar would be enough to negate his power.
I guess? Though I don't think they're completely relative, I can't really remember the last time a regular Cero actually did something other than being effortlessly blocked or thrown aside.
yea you are right, my bad
iirc the chair was made from sth which can tank Reiatsu or sth, Aizen said it was built the same way as the cross in muken. Whatever, Im not arguing weather he can destroy the chair or not here so I dont get this point honestly.
as for this, it doesnt eliminate his Reiatsu it only restrain its range, he is a melee fighter right? its not like he was suppressed or using like 10% of his power, he was at his full power there, only his range wasnt at max, even tho his range was still impressive when he was on the chair, even against Yhwach, his Reiatsu covered the whole area.
you missed my first point, I wasnt arguing about whether he can or cant destroy the chair, but how he wouldve broken out of the restrictions (as that is whats binding him to the chair) if he could as the chair was clearly bothering him based on what he said.
oh you mean the restrictions that keep his Reiatsu close are the same ones that are binding him on the chair?
When I said "easily" I didnt mean he will be setting and just move as if its nothing, but if it appeared that way I take it back. I meant that if he tried to remove them they wont be like hard and he will be shouting.
eh, doesnt this sound like a contradiction? I mean if it means making it weaker or sth?
I wont touch this until u answer my first question because maybe Im missing sth so I want u to clarify it
Base Grimmjow blew through a Black Getsuga with his Cero even though BGs can harm him. A Cero one shot Ichigo’s Mask while his BG only damaged Ulq’s clothes. Cero > Bala > Rez Yammy’s physical attacks. Pretty sure there is more stuff but those would be the most relevant and directly comparable.
almost there, what I tried to say is he could break out of the chair by removing the seals around his hands due to the way he is bound to the chair through them (as the straps that keep him locked in are around the seals on his hands)
this is unlikely based on context in that scene, range wouldnt have anything to do with how long aizen is being affected by nanana's ability, unless less range = weaker spiritual energy as u said after this, so the latter seems to make more sense
Wasnt the chair making him weaker or something like that?
Aizen specifically got stronger, nothing was weakening him, they couldn't eliminate his reiatsu, so instead they kept it close to him, to eliminate is vast influence. Seeing how if Aizen didn't have his reiatsu restrained near him he'd probably be able to blast out of Muken or sumn.
oh so u agree with me on this point
That's not a solid basis for a multiplier. And in any case Ichigo already scales to Ulquiorra for his feats there.
1. Ulquiorra releases his sword twice which equals bankai by Urahara and Mayuri's statement who are the most reliable characters in the verse. Even when opposed to each others scientists ways they agreed on that part. Is like Ulquiorra releasing two bankai.
Huh? Didn't you say Aizen got weaker, I'm confused...
I agree with this, also I got an accurate way of calcing Lanza I'll drop sometime, I just gotta collect the pixel scales for it.
If you read my whole discussion, my original point that the restrictions didn't suppress his Reiatsu or make him weaker, and I used his statement, Kyoraku's, and Mayuri's. Zoro brought a scan for Kyoraku saying the opposite so I said it sounds like a contradiction and tried to put explanations to compromise between the contradictory statements.
Ohhhh gotcha lol
He might be but all the suit does is make is reiatsu structure unstable and keep it close, without it he’d have quite the range.
Yeah the GRC is treated as the strongest Cero and is stated such.
CO vaporized the roof, meanwhile GRC just uses the ground based explosion formula.
Why?
