BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[Crobatman44]

Does the Auschwalen kill? I thought people only died because they lost their powers in dangerous situations

It's kind of a case by case basis,some people survive and lose at least some of their power(Bazz-B is hit directly but only loses his Vollständig),some die instantly(sometimes being reduced to bone),some like Uryu's mom are left in a dying state where they eventually do perish.
The best i can say is that the stronger you are the less adverse the effects???
(The final auswhalen kinda goes against this but that might be subject to change).

 

[GOATMAN1232000]

They may have fixed the inconsistencies. I don't think Robert was reduced to bones in the anime. A soldat was, if I remember correctly. So it may be tied to how powerful you are. If you are too weak, you get reduced to bones. If you are stronger, you get a slow death. If you are Sternritter level, you only get your power absorbed.

 

[AppleLord]

I want the anime to air already… waiting for October 5th is a chore ;-;

 

[AppleLord]

Did you guys saw my Bleach minor addition thread?

Is basically gives some sort of symbiosis to the Shinigami Shihaisho clothes.

 

[Deceived3596]

We probably have.

We just don't care, being truthful.

 

[Adam1396]

1. The Soul King is already cut. You can see the crystal is broken in half.

2. It's stated within the manga and the novels he took everything Reio had, including his power.

3. This one is probably debatable since this is the part where he's about to absorb SK.

If he was capable of killing reio he wouldn’t have needed ichigo to do he job.

On the other hand he was absorbing every one that were dying. So it's still not far fetched to say he got this stronger.

 

[Adam1396]

It's kind of a case by case basis,some people survive and lose at least some of their power(Bazz-B is hit directly but only loses his Vollständig),some die instantly(sometimes being reduced to bone),some like Uryu's mom are left in a dying state where they eventually do perish.
The best i can say is that the stronger you are the less adverse the effects???
(The final auswhalen kinda goes against this but that might be subject to change).

I don’t think it has any issue with power. Gerard was much stronger than them when he got absorb and yhwach can easily bypass power.

So it's nost likely he can choose between steal or kill.

 

[Adam1396]

Just need one more admin agreement guys

Conceptual absorption for Yhwach

This will be very straight forward. Names in Bleach are concepts with meaning, power assigned to it. Name is someone's fundamental aspect of existence (concept) Ichibe needs to name ichigo as "reio" to function as reio despite having the requirements of reio, again meaning name is important...

vsbattles.com

 

[AppleLord]

If he was capable of killing reio he wouldn’t have needed ichigo to do he job.

On the other hand he was absorbing every one that were dying. So it's still not far fetched to say he got this stronger.

I now think this scene will be a new Ukitake scene with Bankai vs Yhwach & Elites. Look at the ceiling where they are getting the energy it looks weird. But It will be a welcome one. The next scene after that shows Ukitake bleeding and he looks like he is standing at the entrance of the Soul King palace with the white pilars and blue skies.

 

[SlendVeny]

I now think this scene will be a new Ukitake scene with Bankai vs Yhwach & Elites. Look at the ceiling where they are getting the energy it looks weird. But It will be a welcome one. The next scene after that shows Ukitake bleeding and he looks like he is standing at the entrance of the Soul King palace with the white pilars and blue skies.

Finally, people will stop disrespecting the GOAT

 

[Naeblis495]

If he was capable of killing reio he wouldn’t have needed ichigo to do he job.

Bruh, he casually stabbed the SK with his basic sword before ichigo arrived , he clearly did not need Ichigo to kill him.

 

[Tyri456]

Yhwach wants to see people in despair, so it make sense he wanted to see how Ichigo reacted after he himself cut the SK

 

[Crobatman44]

Also it finally clicked to me why Gerard's Vollstandig is Red and Lille's is green, it's design carry over of important traits of their design (Gerard's Red cape,the Green parts of Lille's clothes).

 

[Arcker123]

Who yall got between base Yhwach and Full power Hagoromo speed =

I wanna do this because Soul Crush is on the shelf for a bit

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Who yall got between base Yhwach and Full power Hagoromo speed =

I wanna do this because Soul Crush is on the shelf for a bit

imma give different answers depending on which discussion thread im in

 

[Naeblis495]

Yhwach. Sankt altar , sklaverei or ritter summoning GG.

 

[Tyri456]

Who yall got between base Yhwach and Full power Hagoromo speed =

I wanna do this because Soul Crush is on the shelf for a bit

I have base Yhwach >> Dangai's bisect/Aza's Spear > Planet Level, so Hagoromo get destroyed with his soul, Yhwach has plenty of hax too

If u mean with vsbatte rating then Im not sure

 

[SlendVeny]

Who yall got between base Yhwach and Full power Hagoromo speed =

I wanna do this because Soul Crush is on the shelf for a bit

Yhwach with no Allmighty vs Full Power Hagoromo, which I believe would mean Juubi Hagoromo. Juubiromo's Telekinesis would give him an incredible advantage off raw power, since it should be at drastically superior to deathbed Hagoromo's TK, and in fact, drastically superior to being twice as strong, since I'm pretty sure he removed the Juubi at that point.

Furthermore, his LS is significant enough to be in the same class as that of Allmighty Soul King Yhwach.

He can also just BFR souls into the Pure Land.

Also, even if Yhwach kills him, he'll just precog it, release the Juubi, Kenobi himself, and come back as a ghost, and even if that ghost form is about to die, he'll just give all his chakra to Ichigo or something. Or, if he, most likely being a hybrid, is still able to, he could plant his Karma in Yhwach and doom him to be erased unless he can regain Allmighty and wipe him away.

 

[Arcker123]

On second thought, I am making this match. Too cool and can be added.

Yhwach with no Allmighty vs Full Power Hagoromo, which I believe would mean Juubi Hagoromo. Juubiromo's Telekinesis would give him an incredible advantage off raw power, since it should be at drastically superior to deathbed Hagoromo's TK, and in fact, drastically superior to being twice as strong, since I'm pretty sure he removed the Juubi at that point.

Yhwach can give himself Low 5-B shields and durability with Blut, as well as Low 5-B attack with that same ability

Zanka No Tachi is also something Hagoromo could be fodderized by.

Furthermore, his LS is significant enough to be in the same class as that of Allmighty Soul King Yhwach.

Cool? Yhwach can still blast him to pieces with a thought with his own TK, even if he gets ragdolled, and is still enitrely capable of using things like matter hax on him.

He also has to deal with the other 5-C sternritter Yhwach can summon bombarding him with their bonkers hax

He can also just BFR souls into the Pure Land.

Every Shinigami has this ability. This would be fodder to Yhwach.

Also, even if Yhwach kills him, he'll just precog it, release the Juubi, Kenobi himself, and come back as a ghost, and even if that ghost form is about to die, he'll just give all his chakra to Ichigo or something.

This is a loss condition for Hagoromo. Good joke though if it was one.

Yhwach will absorb his soul after death

• Soul and Power Absorption, Limited Death Manipulation, Limited Life Manipulation, Healing, Power Bestowal, Empathic Manipulation, Statistics Amplification & Self-Soul Manipulation (Yhwach can split his own soul between others to heal all their wounds, grant them courage, and grant them powers. Those who received his gifts did not live for long, and some even died after a few days. Upon death, if Yhwach granted you his soul, it returns to him, along with your knowledge, abilities, and talents. Yhwach uses the souls he absorbs to get stronger, even in the middle of combat. Anyone who comes in contact with a piece of Yhwach's soul will be granted that piece, and have their souls absorbed by him upon death. No matter who dies, Yhwach becomes stronger. Yhwach uses the souls he absorbs to extend and amplify his own life, and prevent reverting into the black baby he was prior[27])

Or, if he, most likely being a hybrid, is still able to, he could plant his Karma in Yhwach and doom him to be erased unless he can regain Allmighty and wipe him away.

Base Yhwach at his peak is like hours away from the Quincy poem being over and fully awakening his powers.

 

[SlendVeny]

Every Shinigami has this ability. This would be fodder to Yhwach.

Yeah, but he can do it instantly, he doesn't have to kill them.

This is a loss condition for Hagoromo. Good joke though if it was one.

Yhwach will absorb his soul after death

My whole point is that he wouldn't really... die. Even if he did, he could prevent the absorption through reincarnation.

 

[Arcker123]

Yeah, but he can do it instantly, he doesn't have to kill them.

My whole point is that he wouldn't really... die. Even if he did, he could prevent the absorption through reincarnation.

How would he know Yhwach is a soul? Can I have scans of how this bFR works?

Yhwach can easily travel back to the battlefield with his dimensional travel, or have his summoned sternritter return to the battlefield.

Every soul in Bleach reincarnates (whole verse is based on that), and can't stop the absorption. Hagoromo dies once and he's done.

 

[Crobatman44]

Btw out of curiosity,is there anyone here who i can ask about stuff like Respira scaling,either here or offsite?

 

[SlendVeny]

How would he know Yhwach is a soul? Can I have scans of how this bFR works?

I know this is said a lot, but genuinely, it just works, and is not explained.

Every soul in Bleach reincarnates (whole verse is based on that), and can't stop the absorption. Hagoromo dies once and he's done.

Yes, but they can't all choose to go on a path that isn't their typical cycle.

 

[AppleLord]

Yhwach with no Allmighty vs Full Power Hagoromo, which I believe would mean Juubi Hagoromo. Juubiromo's Telekinesis would give him an incredible advantage off raw power, since it should be at drastically superior to deathbed Hagoromo's TK, and in fact, drastically superior to being twice as strong, since I'm pretty sure he removed the Juubi at that point.

Furthermore, his LS is significant enough to be in the same class as that of Allmighty Soul King Yhwach.

He can also just BFR souls into the Pure Land.

Also, even if Yhwach kills him, he'll just precog it, release the Juubi, Kenobi himself, and come back as a ghost, and even if that ghost form is about to die, he'll just give all his chakra to Ichigo or something. Or, if he, most likely being a hybrid, is still able to, he could plant his Karma in Yhwach and doom him to be erased unless he can regain Allmighty and wipe him away.

Nah, fan after Senjumaru pull-up in the anime Bleach character BEFORE Soul King Yhwach are STRONGER than Cell Saga DBZ characters. Hagoromo is barely Raditz level.

 

[AppleLord]

Yhwach with no Allmighty vs Full Power Hagoromo, which I believe would mean Juubi Hagoromo. Juubiromo's Telekinesis would give him an incredible advantage off raw power, since it should be at drastically superior to deathbed Hagoromo's TK, and in fact, drastically superior to being twice as strong, since I'm pretty sure he removed the Juubi at that point.

Furthermore, his LS is significant enough to be in the same class as that of Allmighty Soul King Yhwach.

He can also just BFR souls into the Pure Land.

Also, even if Yhwach kills him, he'll just precog it, release the Juubi, Kenobi himself, and come back as a ghost, and even if that ghost form is about to die, he'll just give all his chakra to Ichigo or something. Or, if he, most likely being a hybrid, is still able to, he could plant his Karma in Yhwach and doom him to be erased unless he can regain Allmighty and wipe him away.

Karma is used on the vessel of the living. To stay alive. Yhwach is a soul. How can a soul plant a soul in a soul?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Nah, fan after Senjumaru pull-up in the anime Bleach character BEFORE Soul King Yhwach are STRONGER than Cell Saga DBZ characters. Hagoromo is barely Raditz level.

They should be around dbs levels, but it is what it is

 

[Crobatman44]

All im hearing is that hill level gospel needs to be spread further.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

They should be around dbs levels, but it is what it is

Be patient I will cook

 

[Bastolan27]

Be patient I will cook

 

[Crobatman44]

That's it,load the tier 6 god tiers crt.

 

[Hellscream]

Bleach mfs waiting for the new cour to drop so they can cook

 

[SlendVeny]

Nah, fan after Senjumaru pull-up in the anime Bleach character BEFORE Soul King Yhwach are STRONGER than Cell Saga DBZ characters. Hagoromo is barely Raditz level.

I haven't caught up, I was talking about the manga

 

[Arcker123]

I know this is said a lot, but genuinely, it just works, and is not explained.

Yes, but they can't all choose to go on a path that isn't their typical cycle.

No reason to believe it's even combat applicable then

It doesn't matter if they can choose how they reincarnate. Yhwach just has feats of negating that ability through absorption. Why does this even matter? It's not like he stops it by affecting the cosmology itself. It's just a function of the ability that characters who can reincarnate still get ****** by it and become apart of yhwach in death.

 

[AppleLord]

No reason to believe it's even combat applicable then

It doesn't matter if they can choose how they reincarnate. Yhwach just has feats of negating that ability through absorption. Why does this even matter? It's not like he stops it by affecting the cosmology itself. It's just a function of the ability that characters who can reincarnate still get ****** by it and become apart of yhwach in death.

This is true since those character don't have resistance to soul absorption.

 

[Adam1396]

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Base yhwach still one shots

 

[Adam1396]

Base yhwach scales to sz, above yamamoto and gremmy. He is way beyond anybody from naruto. And base yhwach outhaxes too

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

 

[Deceived3596]

Bleach Profile Creation (Remaining Fullbringers)

I completed the profiles for the remaining Fullbringers - Moe, Riruka, and Giriko. Everything is referenced precisely and scans are given when needed. I still need to add the statistical values for some of these characters, but I'll do that later since it isn't important in getting the profiles...

vsbattles.com

 

[SilentBob34]

Does anyone remember the days when the characters were actually tiered to the feats and calc’s they would do? Instead of relying on one calc and multipliers to carry them from one of first arcs to the latest arc? I don’t have a problem with it but man how times can change lol

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Yeah I don't see how that's applicable here. Bleach has High 6-A and 5-C calcs that act as pillars to support the fact multipliers take them there. There is no "single calc stacked to high heavens with multipliers". Stop whining.