BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[Reio35]

The Bambies

The new abilities Giselle used after enhancing her Vollständig with Sklaverai, "Dancing Dead Boys Club" and "Munchy Munchy Babies" have the ability to zombify an enemy by biting them, without requiring Giselle to use her blood.

Aizen and Yhwach's conversation in Muken


Aizen is nigh-immortal due to being fused with the Hōgyoku and Yhwach was not capable of killing him. He could have sealed him, however there was no point because being sealed by Yhwach and being sealed in Muken are essentially the same. Therefore, Yhwach's only option was to recruit him. However, if Aizen would've agreed to join Yhwach only to betray him later, it would've greatly reduced the Wandenreich's military strength, so Yhwach judged that it was essential to pacify Aizen and win him over as an ally. Yhwach did not expect that Aizen would ally with the Shinigami, so leaving without doing anything was a miscalculation on his part. Additionally, Aizen is fused with his Zanpakutou so he is now able to utilise its abilities without the physical sword, however its effect is weakened when he does this. Presumably, then, Kyouka Suigetsu is at full effectiveness when Aizen re-manifests his sword. Aizen filled up Muken with his Reiatsu and was therefore able to use Kyouka Suigetsu to very slightly shift Yhwach's perception of the time interval, forcing Yhwach to retreat before he could capture Ichigo.

In the SAFWY novels, it was stated by Yoruichi that Muken contains countless seals that weaken the Zanpakutou of its prisoners in order to prevent them being able to attack people outside. Aizen most likely had to fill up Muken with his Reiatsu because he needed to overpower these seals before he could affect Yhwach with Kyouka Suigetsu.


Senjumaru's Zanpakutou

Senjumaru's needle is her Shikai and it's name is 'Shigarami'. Its ability is to generate an unlimited/infinite number of Reishi threads which she can manipulate. Meanwhile, the ability of her Bankai 'Shatatsu Karagara Shigarami no Tsuji' is to generate an infinite amount of tanmono which she can manipulate in various ways, such as weaving and cutting. Additionally, Senjumaru can teleport between any tanmono with the same colour. The poster thinks that the wording suggests her Bankai has many more abilities than just the one used to defeat the Schutzstaffel.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Question: do you think Yhwach would be capable of fixing the insanity of r/BatmanArkham?

 

[Excellence616]

Looking at the projected course. Cour 2 ended like end of September. And 6-8 months from then would be like start of April to start of June. Realistically I could see it kicking off the spring season around that April time slot.

Cour 2 started 6-7 months after Cour 1. So yeah. They should probably take time.

Not gonna lie Uyru dropping yammy through some floors was probably the dumbest scene in the series. Can’t literally everyone with soul reaper powers fly or walk on air or whatever?

Yammy is dumb

 

[TheLav69]

Not gonna lie Uyru dropping yammy through some floors was probably the dumbest scene in the series. Can’t literally everyone with soul reaper powers fly or walk on air or whatever?

Yammy is stoopid

 

[TheLav69]

Yammy is dumb

Ninja’d

 

[Excellence616]

Question: do you think Yhwach would be capable of fixing the insanity of r/BatmanArkham?

Maybe but Batman Villains are crazy. Very Crazy set of people.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Maybe but Batman Villains are crazy. Very Crazy set of people.

I'm not talking about the villains. I'm talking about the subreddit.

 

[Excellence616]

I'm not talking about the villains. I'm talking about the subreddit.

No

 

[KingogKings777]

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Not gonna lie Uyru dropping yammy through some floors was probably the dumbest scene in the series. Can’t literally everyone with soul reaper powers fly or walk on air or whatever?

Not in HM

 

[Reio35]

Aizen can use KS via his reiastu. So you dont even need to look at his body just being in range of his reiastu is enough.

Reio had sword i wonder who has it now.

Senjumaru has infinite threats so infinite ap

It's stated yhwach would not be able to kill aizen which is what i been saying

 

[TheLav69]

Senjumaru has infinite threats so infinite ap

High uni Starrk goes crazy ngl

 

[Bastolan27]

Arc7Kuroi What do you think about this wank fest?
agree please

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Reio, no one thinks base Yhwach can kill Muken Aizen. Like what circles of idiots do you fester around with that think that

Also, depending on the nature of the infinite statement, that could be taken as literal (potentially) when argued from the perspective that she’s casually shaking multiple universes, so the notion that she’s got this tier 3 power isn’t super crazy. However, I’d obviously like to see the actual statements before drawing conclusions based upon hearsay.

 

[skippy]

New info on the Soul King, Senjumaru, Aizen and more from Bleach Ex.

All information courtesy of Japanese fan Bleach\_krkrk on twitter,This person was also the first source for the extra information revealed in the Blu-Ray special edition which was later verified to be accurate, so they are a reliable source.

# Irazusandō

The Irazusandō is a test to determine whether someone is worthy of becoming Rei-ō (the Soul King), where the person being tested holds a wooden sword that gradually increases in weight. There are additional rules such as "don't stray off the cobblestone path" and "don't lift your heels off the ground". The end of the path leads directly into Senjumaru's palace.

# Rei-ō's Creation of the Three Realms

The 3 whirlpools were being generated by the arrows, and when the man stabbed his sword down in the center, the arrows flickered/glimmered and severed his limbs. The liquid that the sword was stabbed into then solidified and became the crystal that the Rei-ō is sealed in. Presumably, the 3 whirlpools either represent or are the origin point of the 3 realms.

Notably, this story is quite different to what was stated by Ichibē in the CFYOW novels. In the novels, Ichibē explained that the Tsunayashiro clan ancestor first trapped Rei-ō in the crystal while he was being distracted by the Shiba clan ancestor, then removed his limbs afterwards because they were scared that Rei-ō didn't try to fight back. Ichibē also claimed that he "did not view what had happened then first hand", but in the anime version Ichibē was shown retrieving Rei-ō's corpse with a menacing glare following his dismemberment. Evidently, Ichibē's words should be met with extreme distrust. With regards to this, Narita wrote in the novel's postscript that this story was merely "hearsay" by Ichibē and Tokinada and it was purposely left up to the reader's interpretation whether there was more to the story or not.

If, when it comes to the “hearsay” that I wrote from the perspective of the Osho and Tokinada, you were able to spread the wings of your imagination and felt that there was possibly more to the story, or possibly not, and it continued to fit the aesthetics of the BLEACH world, then… as a spinoff novelization author and also a fan of the original work, there is nothing that would make me happier.

# The Bambies

The new abilities Giselle used after enhancing her Vollständig with Sklaverai, "Dancing Dead Boys Club" and "Munchy Munchy Babies" have the ability to zombify an enemy by biting them, without requiring Giselle to use her blood.

Bambietta's Vollständig is normally called 'Zofiel' (Flame/Blaze of God). After being zombified by Giselle, its name changed to 'Zombiel' and there was a slight change in its appearance (as was pointed out in this post), but in terms of ability they are the same.

# Senjumaru's Zanpakutou

Senjumaru's needle is her Shikai and it's name is 'Shigarami'. Its ability is to generate an unlimited/infinite number of Reishi threads which she can manipulate. Meanwhile, the ability of her Bankai 'Shatatsu Karagara Shigarami no Tsuji' is to generate an infinite amount of tanmono which she can manipulate in various ways, such as weaving and cutting. Additionally, Senjumaru can teleport between any tanmono with the same colour. The poster thinks that the wording suggests her Bankai has many more abilities than just the one used to defeat the Schutzstaffel.

# Aizen and Yhwach's conversation in Muken

Aizen is nigh-immortal due to being fused with the Hōgyoku and Yhwach was not capable of killing him. He could have sealed him, however there was no point because being sealed by Yhwach and being sealed in Muken are essentially the same. Therefore, Yhwach's only option was to recruit him. However, if Aizen would've agreed to join Yhwach only to betray him later, it would've greatly reduced the Wandenreich's military strength, so Yhwach judged that it was essential to pacify Aizen and win him over as an ally. Yhwach did not expect that Aizen would ally with the Shinigami, so leaving without doing anything was a miscalculation on his part. Additionally, Aizen is fused with his Zanpakutou so he is now able to utilise its abilities without the physical sword, however its effect is weakened when he does this. Presumably, then, Kyouka Suigetsu is at full effectiveness when Aizen re-manifests his sword. Aizen filled up Muken with his Reiatsu and was therefore able to use Kyouka Suigetsu to very slightly shift Yhwach's perception of the time interval, forcing Yhwach to retreat before he could capture Ichigo.

In the SAFWY novels, it was stated by Yoruichi that Muken contains countless seals that weaken the Zanpakutou of its prisoners in order to prevent them being able to attack people outside. Aizen most likely had to fill up Muken with his Reiatsu because he needed to overpower these seals before he could affect Yhwach with Kyouka Suigetsu.

The poster points out that Yhwach's sealing abilities were briefy described in CFYOW where it was said Gremmy was sealed in a cage with a powerful barrier "that only Yhwach could make". Based on the information above, the seal Gremmy was trapped in was likely comparable to Muken, including its power-dampening capabilities, which explains why Gremmy could not escape even with the power of imagination. This would also be consistent with SAFWY stating that escaping from Muken is more difficult than escaping from Hell.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Someone already dropped the reddit link, you didn't need to copy paste it

 

[skippy]

Someone already dropped the reddit link, you didn't need to copy paste it

Ngl didnt even see it mb.

 

[AppleLord]

New info on the Soul King, Senjumaru, Aizen and more from Bleach Ex.

All information courtesy of Japanese fan Bleach\_krkrk on twitter,This person was also the first source for the extra information revealed in the Blu-Ray special edition which was later verified to be accurate, so they are a reliable source.

# Irazusandō

The Irazusandō is a test to determine whether someone is worthy of becoming Rei-ō (the Soul King), where the person being tested holds a wooden sword that gradually increases in weight. There are additional rules such as "don't stray off the cobblestone path" and "don't lift your heels off the ground". The end of the path leads directly into Senjumaru's palace.

What about the weight of the world in Ichigo's body and transformation looking like Obito after absorbing ten tails?

# Rei-ō's Creation of the Three Realms

The 3 whirlpools were being generated by the arrows, and when the man stabbed his sword down in the center, the arrows flickered/glimmered and severed his limbs. The liquid that the sword was stabbed into then solidified and became the crystal that the Rei-ō is sealed in. Presumably, the 3 whirlpools either represent or are the origin point of the 3 realms.

Notably, this story is quite different to what was stated by Ichibē in the CFYOW novels. In the novels, Ichibē explained that the Tsunayashiro clan ancestor first trapped Rei-ō in the crystal while he was being distracted by the Shiba clan ancestor, then removed his limbs afterwards because they were scared that Rei-ō didn't try to fight back. Ichibē also claimed that he "did not view what had happened then first hand", but in the anime version Ichibē was shown retrieving Rei-ō's corpse with a menacing glare following his dismemberment. Evidently, Ichibē's words should be met with extreme distrust. With regards to this, Narita wrote in the novel's postscript that this story was merely "hearsay" by Ichibē and Tokinada and it was purposely left up to the reader's interpretation whether there was more to the story or not.

True.

# The Bambies

The new abilities Giselle used after enhancing her Vollständig with Sklaverai, "Dancing Dead Boys Club" and "Munchy Munchy Babies" have the ability to zombify an enemy by biting them, without requiring Giselle to use her blood.

Ichigo resistance to zombification? He got trap in her power that did nothing to him? Probably Oken related resistance?

Bambietta's Vollständig is normally called 'Zofiel' (Flame/Blaze of God). After being zombified by Giselle, its name changed to 'Zombiel' and there was a slight change in its appearance (as was pointed out in this post), but in terms of ability they are the same.

Never noticed.

# Senjumaru's Zanpakutou

Senjumaru's needle is her Shikai and it's name is 'Shigarami'. Its ability is to generate an unlimited/infinite number of Reishi threads which she can manipulate. Meanwhile, the ability of her Bankai 'Shatatsu Karagara Shigarami no Tsuji' is to generate an infinite amount of tanmono which she can manipulate in various ways, such as weaving and cutting. Additionally, Senjumaru can teleport between any tanmono with the same colour. The poster thinks that the wording suggests her Bankai has many more abilities than just the one used to defeat the Schutzstaffel.

Still doesn't tell us what the bankai does intentionally to be reveal in cour 3 episode 1.

# Aizen and Yhwach's conversation in Muken

Aizen is nigh-immortal due to being fused with the Hōgyoku and Yhwach was not capable of killing him. He could have sealed him, however there was no point because being sealed by Yhwach and being sealed in Muken are essentially the same. Therefore, Yhwach's only option was to recruit him. However, if Aizen would've agreed to join Yhwach only to betray him later, it would've greatly reduced the Wandenreich's military strength, so Yhwach judged that it was essential to pacify Aizen and win him over as an ally. Yhwach did not expect that Aizen would ally with the Shinigami, so leaving without doing anything was a miscalculation on his part. Additionally, Aizen is fused with his Zanpakutou so he is now able to utilise its abilities without the physical sword, however its effect is weakened when he does this. Presumably, then, Kyouka Suigetsu is at full effectiveness when Aizen re-manifests his sword. Aizen filled up Muken with his Reiatsu and was therefore able to use Kyouka Suigetsu to very slightly shift Yhwach's perception of the time interval, forcing Yhwach to retreat before he could capture Ichigo.

Effects are weaken but he can cover an infinite size dimension with his reiatsu? Area of effect means he can cover and affect non-living or souls as well. Ichigo was on the battlefield around KS and wasn't affected.Neither have Ichigo or Yhwach seen KS release ritual, but KS works. Ichigo resistance to illusions?

In the SAFWY novels, it was stated by Yoruichi that Muken contains countless seals that weaken the Zanpakutou of its prisoners in order to prevent them being able to attack people outside. Aizen most likely had to fill up Muken with his Reiatsu because he needed to overpower these seals before he could affect Yhwach with Kyouka Suigetsu.

Or maybe is weaker without a ritual release condition anymore?

The poster points out that Yhwach's sealing abilities were briefy described in CFYOW where it was said Gremmy was sealed in a cage with a powerful barrier "that only Yhwach could make". Based on the information above, the seal Gremmy was trapped in was likely comparable to Muken, including its power-dampening capabilities, which explains why Gremmy could not escape even with the power of imagination. This would also be consistent with SAFWY stating that escaping from Muken is more difficult than escaping from Hell.

Dimension creation + powernull fof Yhwach?

 

[TheLav69]

So I had to turn off my power scaling brain and turn on my lore brain while arguing Pernida vs Unohana cause the nerd I was talking to brought up spirit class, and I realized that Pernida quite literally has one of the Soul King’s reiatsu vents as part of his body, so maybe he should get soul crush.

Arguing with morons can be productive sometimes

 

[Aernasilver]

Ichibe is a dirty mfer.

Never trust someone who controls all black.

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

Ichibe is a dirty mfer.

Never trust someone whos all black.

 

[Crobatman44]

One thing apple,it said that the zombification only happens if they bite you,plus Ichigo is part Quincy so it's possible it would only work when he's dead anyway.
something tells me apple skimmed and did not read properly lmao.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Ichigo got his ass beat by ulquirra died and came back. Got multiple zenkai boosts, got his ass beat again then finds out that isn’t even homies final form then dies again . Damm ichigo can’t catch a break

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Ichibe is a dirty mfer.

Never trust someone who controls all black.

Does that mean lightskins like myself are not fully under his control?

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

Imagine Yhwach having his zombie schrift back and you see him use an attack like munchy munchy babies

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

the very top tier Sternritter’s downscale from Yama’s Bankai heat

Lol yet we treat em as fodder to base Aizen scaling outta whack

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Lol yet we treat em as fodder to base Aizen scaling outta whack

Raven you realize having decent heat hax resistances means actually nothing for AP scaling right? Take your headcanon elsewhere

 

[Bastolan27]

Imagine Yhwach having his zombie schrift back and you see him use an attack like munchy munchy babies

Lmao, now I can't get this out of my mind.

 

[KingNanaya]

Best bleach character to sleep with (like actually cuddle and sleep with)

Sajin or Retsu

 

[AppleLord]

Essentially, the details we have from the novels suggest that the information about the SK is either entirely false, courtesy of Ichibei, or a partial truth. It's possible that the ancestors were innocent and wrongly accused by Ichibei, assuming they are now "dead." Alternatively, there could have been collaboration between the ancestors and Ichibei, but with Ichibei having hidden motives and choosing to incriminate them later. In any case, Ichibei is a crucial figure in this narrative, and it wouldn't be astonishing if his abilities allow him to rewrite history itself.

 

[AppleLord]

One thing apple,it said that the zombification only happens if they bite you,plus Ichigo is part Quincy so it's possible it would only work when he's dead anyway.
something tells me apple skimmed and did not read properly lmao.

I thought about those but they look so obvious I wanted to hear third-party opinions

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

Raven you realize having decent heat hax resistances means actually nothing for AP scaling right? Take your headcanon elsewhere

There is no specific heat hax resistance

 

[Deceived3596]

AppleLord has an apple head

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

There is no specific heat hax resistance

Resistance to high temperatures is a thing you’re just intentionally ignorant as you’ve conceded upon before

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

Resistance to high temperatures is a thing you’re just intentionally ignorant as you’ve conceded upon before

So does everybody in bleach has this? If you mean blut it just makes them more durable. Heat resistance by having higher stats. I'm not sure where you pull this heat resistance out your ass from

 

[Arcker123]

....

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I'm not sure where you pull this heat resistance out your ass from

Heat Manipulation

I pulled it from the wiki, oh Ignorant One

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

Concession

 

[Deceived3596]

Raven just equivocating as always.

 

[Crobatman44]

Don't you know being able to read is a sin Arc?