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If I push you off a cliff, am I directly killing you?
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Baki soul manipulation CRT
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******* terrible Analogy. Yujiro physical did the ******* move which removes his soul
azontr
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False equivalence much? Yujiro killed the man, not a fall or some shit.
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He did a move where that guys own body is damaging himself
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Yeah but that's deadass just how knocking people out/killing them works lmao. When your hit your brain moves around in the skull and that is what causes a knock-out. Yujiro could've done this through a punch or a kick or anything else, he just decided to do it through shaking the man like a salt shaker.
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Dude this is a you problem. Also Baki pages are ******* ass, the ******* last idiot made the characters 8-A and wanted to downgrade them to subsonic that’s not accuracy that’s ******* idiotic downplay
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I agree with astral projection. I also think this probably has ties to attacks on characters' pressure points, something like hitting a specific part of the brain which can lead to a soul projection, although this might be a bit headcannon on my part as it's not explicitly said
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Monkey has no problems
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Astral Projection is flat out wrong, that's what you'd use to manipulate and move around your very soul / mind. Although Baki should get both abilities since he can manipulate his own soul to ress himself and also has Soul Ejection.
Astral Projection is essentially the finer tuned version of soul Manipulation on one's self.
Astral Projection is essentially the finer tuned version of soul Manipulation on one's self.
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Pretty much what Gin said. The characters aren’t moving around there souls there literally getting it removed forcefully and the only one doing so was Baki as he uses it to Resurrect himself.
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Yeah, no.
First, is him shaking his head which killed him through his brain becoming a pinball...just a punch to the head is enough to make you unconscious as the force/vibrations will shake your brain...here is Yujiro not a normal human in power.
Second, it just shows that he almost got unconscious which is presented a few panels later slowly but surely him recovering (after he was hit in the leg) - Shishimaru being frozen for a bit which is a natural reaction after being hit in the head and the brain hitting the skull.
The third is the same just instantly.
While for Baki is the same as above just that in this case is shown on Musashi.
In all cases its a hit to the head.
The only soul manipulation is done by the Old Woman.
First, is him shaking his head which killed him through his brain becoming a pinball...just a punch to the head is enough to make you unconscious as the force/vibrations will shake your brain...here is Yujiro not a normal human in power.
Second, it just shows that he almost got unconscious which is presented a few panels later slowly but surely him recovering (after he was hit in the leg) - Shishimaru being frozen for a bit which is a natural reaction after being hit in the head and the brain hitting the skull.
The third is the same just instantly.
While for Baki is the same as above just that in this case is shown on Musashi.
In all cases its a hit to the head.
The only soul manipulation is done by the Old Woman.
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But one can cause someone to bleed with no external factors with the ability to do so grounded in reality and something regular humans can do. I dont remember someone ever whacking someones soul out of their body irl, ever.
This feels like a line of thinking that makes no sense.
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Great reasoning.
The difference is that the term "consciousness." Isn't used but instead the term soul is used. It's impossible for this to be an AP feat considering you cannot remove a soul with straight up AP.
Secondly, Baki himself as a teenager proves that this isn't some type of visual considering he does the same shit in order to revive himself against Gaia.
It's a temporary affect.
Strongly disagree with both of these takes, 13 year old Baki would like a word with you.
Yeah, no.
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My robot friend sums it up very well. How does the robot get it so right whilst some get it so wrong? Perhaps the age of robots is coming soon.
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None of these points hold any water.
Yujiro scans is the most blatant scan, yeah he killed him with the brain shaking but the scan Blatantly tells us his soul was removed. Getting hit in the head and getting Unconscious doesn’t make you lose your soul
Not what happen at all Katsumi kicked the guy so hard his soul was removed, then kicked him again because he didn’t want the fight to be finished, it’s also just temporary
No it’s isn’t. It’s the exact same as Katsumi
Also your last two points are also wrong and have no point. Why does it matter if they were in the head? You can’t remove souls with pure AP that’s literally not possible
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Crazzzyyy right? It almost seems like this is an ability the characters have
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Don't need to post the scan again for Yurijo as that's obvious as it can get - the brain got shaken as a pinball which made it hit the skull.
Baki vs Musashi - head hit
Katsumi vs Shinshimaru - head hit
Doppo vs Shishimaru - head hit
All 4 cases are head hits
Baki vs Musashi - head hit
Katsumi vs Shinshimaru - head hit
Doppo vs Shishimaru - head hit
All 4 cases are head hits
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Arguably because the soul doesn't exist IRL.
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Okay and? Dude it deadass doesn't matter how it was done, the souls still came out of the opponent's body.
It's almost as if Baki characters have an ability that allow them to remove souls by hitting their opponents?
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That’s doesn’t even matter tho.
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So how can you use a line of logic intrinsic to the traits of reality, on something that we cant presume to be in reality aswell. There's no connection to be made between the two so the comparison is moot. To say both a soul and bleeding would follow the same line of logic due "reasons" is not exactly a fair argument.
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I don't see how. Seems fairly reasonable to make such a connection to me.
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What connects a soul and blood that makes it a justifiable non leap in logic to say that the effect of bleeding and a soul being knocked out of ones body is the same/similar in nature? Thats just a baseless assumption, because as you stated above souls are not real and thus there is no connection we can make.
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Soul getting slapped out being normal and the same as blood coming out is a silly claim, that said this seems like it could be a verse mechanic more than an actual power of the characters.
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Meh, tell you what, I'm not a Baki guy so I'm gonna retire from the convo, but just so all the cards are on the table, this is a thing that happens, apparently. Now whether that pushes the scale one way or the other, that's for yall to figure out.
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It could be an inverse mechanic, but on the same, equal token it could just be an inherent ability that these characters have, we really don't know for sure.
Given this ambiguity i believe something like a "possible" or "likely" rating is in order for this, given the vagueness of these feast and the inherent mechanics behind them.
This should hopefully create a compromise between both sides and such doesn't cause this thread to go on multiple pages discussing the same couple feats over and over again with both sides not listening to the other, basically causing this thread to become a giant waste of everyone's time.
Given this ambiguity i believe something like a "possible" or "likely" rating is in order for this, given the vagueness of these feast and the inherent mechanics behind them.
This should hopefully create a compromise between both sides and such doesn't cause this thread to go on multiple pages discussing the same couple feats over and over again with both sides not listening to the other, basically causing this thread to become a giant waste of everyone's time.
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Seems like self resurrection based off willpower, and the shock the guy has makes me believe that aint natural in any way shape or form, and a sigma only behaviour.
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Well I’m Tired rn but anyway I’ll example my point for a couple of things before I move on to the next crt.
No this isn’t an inverse mechanic. Some characters have it like the main cast others don’t.
Baki resurrection is basically what jibz said. It’s only a ability Baki Possesses. With his sigma male abilities
Anyway the thread is basically over all the debunkes we’re bad and responded to. I want to get this thread close since it’s basically over. Next will be lifting strength
No this isn’t an inverse mechanic. Some characters have it like the main cast others don’t.
Baki resurrection is basically what jibz said. It’s only a ability Baki Possesses. With his sigma male abilities
Anyway the thread is basically over all the debunkes we’re bad and responded to. I want to get this thread close since it’s basically over. Next will be lifting strength
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Isn't it Resistance to death manipulation via willpower?
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Your somehow justifying that hitting souls out of Baki is a verse mechanic that only a few characters possess? Yeah no your flat out wrong. Look here at this scan, Tokigawa is clearly manipulating a soul with the same effect that the other characters have. And again no it’s not, Yujiro scan literally states his soul was removed by Yujiro no his death. It literally doesn’t matter they got hit at the head
I disagree? Great agreement bro
Ok now I know you haven’t been paying attention at all when Baki has literally been shown the only one to do so.
Any way like other users I don’t want this to be 500+ pages of wasted time when the majority of people here agreed with the crt and the debunks were already responded to.
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