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Asta vs Saber (Artoria)

Not really no. Servants are made using the 3rd True Magic which is completely immune to MR (which is actually magic negation/power null rather than resistance b) and Gae Dearg which negates all magecraft it comes into contact with so Asta isn't gonna dura neg her or anything. Plus Saber is an actual person so there is no chance of it at all. It will work on her armor and Strike Air though which she will then dispel giving a boost in power and speed (x6 or something).

As for Excalibur, it is able to get through multiple ranks of MR beyond her own (which is already 8 levels of MR) that is then further amped massively no problem (all while Excalibur is weakened) so Asta isn't really going to be able to walk that off.

Can't say anything on Asta's precog but Baeber's Instinct can precog stuff from other dimensions and causality manip (though the latter needed help from her Luck to dodge).
 
If Asta has the superior AP so i think he can take this, Saber armor is magic hence why Asta can negate it, also MR =\= PN pretty sure Asta can Null it, even if he cant Null it he can just Dodge it or reflect the Excaliblast.
 
If Saber is a person, does she still require mana to regenerate? Because if so, he can still neg her regen which is the same as what he did to Vetto. Also, should she really boost herself that far, Asta will sense this and go Black Divider, which passively negates magic.

Should she use Excaliblast he can likely reflect it with the side of his sword, or I believe store it in one of his swords and throw it back at her.

That is some pretty strong precog, but that seems like actual precog vs analytical prediction.
 
I believe Saber doesn't also have actual precog as she can't look into the future. I think it's like Dante's Alastor precog that warns her what's going on
 
@GLHF

MR is power null though. Its very description says its not actual resistance but magic negation.

@Milly

Regen does depend on mana but Saber has regen'd from hits that neg any magecraft.

What level of stuff has he reflected in relation to himself? Because a weakened Excaliblast one shots 174 gigatons.

@Spooky

Its not actual future sight but is explicitly stated to be on that level anyway and was even able to show her the results of True Magic, just not the cause itself.
 
"What level of stuff has he reflected in relation to himself? Because a weakened Excaliblast one shots 174 gigatons."

This Black Divider is a stronger version of the one he used to easily slice Word Devil's heart, the same heart who was unscathed by Licht's 331.4 Gigatons attack

Post-Timeskip Black Divider > Pre-Timeskip Black Divider > Devil's heart > Licht's Attack = 331.4 or 364.4 Gigatons
 
AnonymousBlank said:
@GLHF
MR is power null though. Its very description says its not actual resistance but magic negation.

@Milly

Regen does depend on mana but Saber has regen'd from hits that neg any magecraft.

What level of stuff has he reflected in relation to himself? Because a weakened Excaliblast one shots 174 gigatons.

@Spooky

Its not actual future sight but is explicitly stated to be on that level anyway and was even able to show her the results of True Magic, just not the cause itself.
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What in the case of someone who is far stronger than her?
 
@Epsilon

I was asking about his attack reflection and the strongest it reflected while in base so unless base timeskip reflected an attack from his amped self, your post isn't helping.

@Milly

Referring to base Asta, he would need showings to say he can reflect Excalibur that one shots things x5 him.
 
I odn't see why that wouldn't scale at all. Also didn't Gae Dearg pretty much screw up Artoria pretty badly? I'm not sure it's as potent as Asta's negation which can also get rid of curses and undo revivals, which might be similar to Contracts it can't shut down.

Anyway even with that in mind, Asta's precog is safer than Saber's and he still has AP advantage to boot.
 
And again, keep in mind Asta still has two more swords. One that passively absorbs Saber's magic and can absorb it, and another that can erase the cause and effect of her magic. So even in the case that he can't reflect it, he still has that as a backup.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
@Epsilon

I was asking about his attack reflection and the strongest it reflected while in base so unless base timeskip reflected an attack from his amped self, your post isn't helping.

@Milly

Referring to base Asta, he would need showings to say he can reflect Excalibur that one shots things x5 him.
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He can deflect as long as he has the AP to do so. Since he can use Black Divider in Base and Black Divider is above excaliblast in AP, he can reflect it
 
Gae Dearg didn't mess her up at all though? The wound it caused (which split open half her waist) was healed immediately. Gae Buidhe was the issue as it rewrote what her "peak" physical condition was to a wounded state which kept said wounds from healing as there was "nothing" to heal.

Gae Dearg negates anything powered by mana which includes everything supernatural in Nasu including curses. The only exceptions are True Magic and Grain.

AP of x0.5 which disappears when she realises he negs her armor and switches to having a x4 AP and a x6 speed advantage while they are both in cqc where she outskills him, has her own precog which works on stuff from other dimensions. He needs to use Black Divider immediately at this point or she just splits him in 2.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
AP of x0.5 which disappears when she realises he negs her armor and switches to having a x4 AP and a x6 speed advantage while they are both in cqc where she outskills him, has her own precog which works on stuff from other dimensions. He needs to use Black Divider immediately at this point or she just splits him in 2.
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He starts with Black Divider which leaves him with an at least 3× AP advantage against Excalibur's (137 GT Vs far above 364 GT) and a 11×AP against her dura

And I don't really think she outskills that much but okay. Besides Asta's Accelerated Development allows him to fill a little the skill gap
 
Licht's True Sword Magic Demon-Dweller Sword: Conquering Eon isn't 364 Gigatons. Only Licht and Dark Elf Patry scales to the full value of the Clover Kingdom destruction which is 33.13 Gigatons. All other elves only scale to somewhat putting up a fight against characters that are just half the value of the calc which is 16.565 Gigatons.

Conquering Eon should be around 215.345 Gigatons.
 
I don't think having precog that predicts atacks from other dimensions would help too much. Can't join this debate rn but yeah that's the other Gae I meant. That's just Regenerationn cancellation
 
Peter1129 said:
Licht's True Sword Magic Demon-Dweller Sword: Conquering Eon isn't 364 Gigatons. Only Licht and Dark Elf Patry scales to the full value of the Clover Kingdom destruction which is 33.13 Gigatons. All other elves only scale to somewhat putting up a fight against characters that are just half the value of the calc which is 16.565 Gigatons.

Conquering Eon should be around 215.345 Gigatons.
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Uuuhh, no..?

I dunno where you got that from but no one scales to half the results.

The only time the 16.565 result was a thing, it was only for Luck use to the combined attack he did with Magna, which was able to harm Dorothy but it got rejected because 1/ Luck is far above Magna in terms of power so if anything it's not 50/50; 2/ This attack one-shot Dorothy, not just harmed her.

So no one scales to half the results. And even if Conquering Eon was indeed 265.345 GT, it's still more than enough to one shot. Not only that but Post-Timeskip BD is also above the Pre-Timeskip one who is above the Devil's heart dura which is far above Licht's Conquering Eon.
 
No they don't. End of Elf Invasion Arc Black Asta and Spirit Dive Yuno's combined powers were only able to scratch the Word Devil and deflect Dark Elf Patry's attack. So they only scale to half the value. Noelle is a Lvl 1 so she should also be around the same Lvl as that's the minimum lvl required to fight devils. Yami scales to Noelle and Mereoleona and Fuegoleon scales to him. Most of the Apostles of Seraph can put up a fight against them but are overall much weaker. Most of the fodder elves are even weaker as even in groups they still have a hard time defeating the likes of Noelle, Yami, and Mereoleona.
 
Well I pointed it out since the AP used here is wrong. Black Asta should only be around 16.565 Gigatons and Black Divider should only be around 215.345 Gigatons.
 
Peter1129 said:
No they don't. End of Elf Invasion Arc Black Asta and Spirit Dive Yuno's combined powers were only able to scratch the Word Devil and deflect Dark Elf Patry's attack. So they only scale to half the value. Noelle is a Lvl 1 so she should also be around the same Lvl as that's the minimum required lvl needed to fight devils. Yami scales to Noelle and Mereoleona and Fuegoleon scales to him. Most of the Apostles of Seraph can put up a fight against them but are overall much weaker. Most of the fodder elves are even weaker as even in groups they still have a hard time defeating the likes of Noelle, Yami, and Mereoleona.
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Demon Licht is the one who did the feat, not Word Devil (he is above that). Licht is comparable if not above Lumiere who defeated the Demon. Dark Elf Patry scale above 33.14 Gigatons too.

Also Patry's attack is his strongest spell, so strong that it can leave him with serious damages if it gets reflected to him. Asta also tanked some of his attacks so if anything, his dura is the same. Asta was even able to block his strikes in cqc. So Asta does scale to the full value. Period.

Yami doesn't scale to Noelle at all, again, idk where you got that from. Yami is relative to the Devil's dura because he is able to cut him.
 
Schnee One said:
Yeah CRTs need to be concluded before they can be used in threads
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That was a downgrade crt so it's actually the 16.565 value that needs to be accepted before it can be used
 
So sad because I loved how chill the thread was. Besides all of this nonsense concerns the Pre-Timeskip key which isn't even used here.


This is why we can't have nice things
 
Why would Asta cant reflect Excaliblast? Excaliblast need Mana and it was a projectile/laser, Hax has nothing to do with AP, im don't see any reason Asta cant Null/reflected it.
 
7 votes that happened before anything was brought up for the other character don't mean anything though.

People can't even agree on what he uses as one person says he switches to Divider if he needs it while another says he starts with it from the get go which is an AP stomp. If he doesn't, he won't be able to draw Divider when they are in cqc as Saber massively outskills (fights Archer Cu, Lancelot, Herc etc), would have x4 AP after ditching her armor the first time he negs it (if she doesn't cop on when he negs IA like Diarmuid did) and x6 speed which definitely counters his IA and AD. If does, she still maintains her speed and skill advantage so getting hit is gonna be grazes at best which get regened as his regen neg mechanics is something she already regened from without issue.
 
I believe it's normal that people switch the arguments as opponents in discussion use other arguments. Asta has very good analytical prediction and can sense what she's going to do next.

Asta doesn't start with Black Divider but when he senses the danger with his instinct and precog he WILL use it to respond to her. After his enemy amps and he knows it he responds with a smile on his face. And it's not the first time he fights someone much faster than him.

Skill gap... Asta also fought guys who have hundreds of years experience, and he quickly adapts to their fighting style (Accelerated Development) and this Asta is unfathomably superior to his first Low 7-B state. And he still has his precognition, that makes him hell to even hit.

Asta is the type of guy who's going to keep it ranged and reflect your attack back at you until you're fuckton exhausted, he will not go into CQC right off the bat, but he is willing to end the fight quickly. If he's going to go into CQC, he will go right after he amps with his anti magic aura.

GLHF made a good point, Asta can reflect any magic attack back at her, deflect it or absorb it, he is more likely to reflect it or just precog and dodge it.

He can fly, by the way, so I believe his mobility is much greater than Saber's.

And another thing. Asta has a sword that passively absorbs magic, another sword that erase cause and effect of her magic and can turn on anti magic aura that can passively null magic.

She has Low-Mid regen only, I believe it's bypassable.
 
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