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Ashita no Joe CRT

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Da_Lunge_Fish said:
my one problem is instinctive reaction. Joe fighting while unconscious seemed more like he was on the brink of being unconscious, and him "sensing Rikishi's intent" is predicting the way he's going to strike.
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Well for me he seemed fully unconscious especially in the José fight, and the way i interpreted the Rikiishi dodge was that Joe did sense his intent but his body reacted instinctively. but your interpretation is valid as well
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Oh, and last thing, Joe didn't scare Kim by himself, it happened because Kim's PTSD got triggered from seeing blood on Joe's face
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Yeah but that only happend during the last moments of the fight, but even before of that Joe was scaring the shit out of him.
 
Da_Lunge_Fish said:
I certainly see your point. But if we look at it this way - Joe hits Harimau and slams him into the ground. Then, since Harimau is pinned and Joe is still airborn and descending, he keeps on pressing on Harimau. Since Joe is falling in Harimau's direction and Harimau has no where to move now, he has to absorb the entirety of KE at this point
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Even if he's falling, the fist would still be moving faster than the rest of the body since it's relative to it.
 
I forgot to mention but Joe should also have Resistance to Analytical Prediction due to the fact that he was able to fight against Kim Yong-bi. Kim is stated to be a human computer, he's always calculating his opponents next moves, he never never commits any errors during a fight or during his training, he can easily dodge all his opponent's attacks and counter them without breaking a sweat, he can read his opponent so well that he can punch them with his eyes closed, he was also able to parry multiple punches from Joe with his eyes closed too, he can accurately predict how many strikes are left to knock out an opponent, Kim can also predict the outcome of a fight by calculating, his coach describes him as boxer who foresees all possible scenarios beforehand and acts accordingly no matter what happens. Due to this, his fighting style is pratically immune to counters or lucky punches, Kim probably never got hit in a boxing match before his fight with Joe. And since Analytical Prediction/Precognition can be based on any number of factors, such as reading the minute body movements of an opponent, predicting their actions through observation, mathematical predictions, and etc... I think is fair to say he has it, due to the sheer amount of times he displayed during the series.

While Joe himself has never showed or displayed any signs of Analytical Prediction in his fights, he certainly has a Resistance to it, since he was able to hit Kim multiple times during their fight, and Kim himself even admitted that his calculations failed against him. Not to mention all the numerous times we are shown how unpredictable Joe can be in a fight.

Also should we get someone else to give another opinion on all of this? i know that this might be hard since it seems that just the 3 of us care about this verse I also think we need to come to an agreement because this thread has been going for too long.

In my understanding Joe should get all the abilities that i listed with the exception of Fear Inducment since both of you guys seemed to disagree with it and @Armorchompy actually suggested that Joe shoud get Social Influencing instead. And we still need to decide whether the Small Building calc is acceptable or not, Both me and @Da_Lunge_Fish don't have a problem with it, but @Armorchompy give some valid points against it.
 
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Silvervigilant said:
I forgot to mention but Joe should also have Resistance to Analytical Prediction due to the fact that he was able to fight against Kim Yong-bi. Kim is stated to be a human computer, he's always calculating his opponents next moves, he never never commits any errors during a fight or during his training, he can easily dodge all his opponent's attacks and counter them without breaking a sweat, he can read his opponent so well that he can punch them with his eyes closed, he was also able to parry multiple punches from Joe with his eyes closed too, he can accurately predict how many strikes are left to knock out an opponent, Kim can also predict the outcome of a fight by calculating, his coach describes him as boxer who foresees all possible scenarios beforehand and acts accordingly no matter what happens. Due to this, his fighting style is pratically immune to counters or lucky punches, Kim probably never got hit in a boxing match before his fight with Joe. And since Analytical Prediction/Precognition can be based on any number of factors, such as reading the minute body movements of an opponent, predicting their actions through observation, mathematical predictions, and etc... I think is fair to say he has it, due to the sheer amount of times he displayed during the series.

While Joe himself has never showed or displayed any signs of Analytical Prediction in his fights, he certainly has a Resistance to it, since he was able to hit Kim multiple times during their fight, and Kim himself even admitted that his calculations failed against him. Not to mention all the numerous times we are shown how unpredictable Joe can be in a fight.
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Seems reasonable.
Silvervigilant said:
Also should we get someone else to give another opinion on all of this? i know that this might be hard since it seems that just the 3 of us care about this verse I also think we need to come to an agreement because this thread has been going for too long.
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Actually, I don't, never touched it, I'm just thread-moddin' over here. Not to insult it or anything it seems pretty neat.
Silvervigilant said:
In my understanding Joe should get all the abilities that i listed with the exception of Fear Inducment since both of you guys seemed to disagree with it and @Armorchompy actually suggested that Joe shoud get Social Influencing instead. And we still need to decide whether the Small Building calc is acceptable or not, Both me and @Da_Lunge_Fish don't have a problem with it, but @Armorchompy give some valid points against it.
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That is a correct summary IMO yeah
 
I feel like Social Influencing is eh. That would imply manipulating or influencing it, while Joe just causes an outburst of emotion. I can piss my dad off but that doesn't give me emotional manipulation
 
Da_Lunge_Fish said:
I feel like Social Influencing is eh. That would imply manipulating or influencing it, while Joe just causes an outburst of emotion. I can piss my dad off but that doesn't give me emotional manipulation
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So do you disagree with both Social Influecing and Fear Inducement for Joe ?
 
Maybe you can do something like [[Social Influencing|Intimidation]] and explain how he often terrifies his opponents?
 
Da_Lunge_Fish said:
So, yeah, my very straightforward CRT about Ashita no Joe series I'm probably the only person in this whole wide world to give a shit about. First, there's this accepted speed and AP calculation for the whole verse (only Joe's profile exists now tho). Second, Joe should receive acrobatics, considering in his fight with Harimau, who was literally fighting by jumping all around the boxing ring and dealing numerous uppercuts while spinning in mid air, Joe ultimately defeated him by literally outjumping him. One last thing, Joe's intelligence should be gifted to maybe even genius in terms of boxing IQ. He learnt to jab in literal seconds, noticed Carlos's hidden elbow while no one else, even the referee, did, commented as a genius by Danpei, and god, is he a technique sponge. He copied konnyaku techniques, while punch drunk, just by remembering it, developed the no guard stance by himself, developed a tactic against Wolf Kanagushi just by seeing the bruises on children he beat up, and finally copied, the corkscrew punch, a very advanced technique from the champion of the world Jose Mendosa just by, again, looking at it. He also showcased decent intelligence outside of boxing too, like when he manipulated Wolf and his manager to let him officially box, and even making a legitimate prison escape plan that would've been successful had Rikishi not interfered.
So that's it. What do you think?
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Wrong that series is decently loved in this country
 
Which staff members have accepted what here?
 
Okay. Feel free to do so then.
 
Thank you very much for helping out. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

So what, if anything, is left to do here?
 
Okay. I will close this thread then.

Thank you to everybody who helped out here. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
 
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