Archer(Fate/Stay Night) VS Leivinia Birdway(To Aru)

[Zhaoshuais]

Serverts seems slightly weaker than To Aru's saints,but stomp Mikoto. So I have no choice. Both sides are at base condition. Birdway can hold Kaori to a draw but can be defeated by Touma,although has faster speed.And Archer is slightly weaker than Saber.So I guess this time may be ok.

 

[Zhaoshuais]

There are only 2 characters considered between saints and Mikoto in To Aru.The first is Touma,but as we know,it's not strange that anyone defeated by Touma.So Leivinia Birdway becomes the only choice.

Strangely,Birdway can hold Kaori to a draw,but lost 3 times in a row to Touma,with different equipments and conditions.

In fact,in To Aru,almost no one consider Touma as a weak character now.The newest city rumor is that Touma can defeat any opponents,no matter how strong they are,and would collect all the female opponents into his harem,according to Kanou Shinka.(at that time Kanou Shinka is pretending to be the 6th of lv5,but he clearly believes Touma is a legendary hero above all the lv5.)In my opinion,Touma is a special unit,for ordinary opponents,saints are more suitable than him,but when they have to deal with some difficult problem that even saints or others can do nothing,Touma's IB may work and can break through——as Acqua fire Touma as a special shell and that breaks Curtana Original at once.(and Touma only minor injured,being fired as a shell!Ordinary boxer can defeat Touma?!This durability is almost impossible to break by hand,should be as hard as iron at least)

 

[Zhaoshuais]

It seems that I should still choose Saber?

 

[LazyHunter]

Sorry if I sound like I broken record, but you're overestimating/underestimating characters again. There's more than two characters between Mikoto and Saints, and Touma is not one of them.

Leivinia was evenly matched with Kaori in a fight we didn't see the end of, but we know she was using a magic sword and drawing in Michael's Telesma, things not part of her standard equipment. We can't use that in matches without details on what those things do. Leivinia only fought Touma one time, where she explicitely held back. Once again, the magic side fights in NT6 are not examples of how a match with the rules of this site would go, as in the story all characters involved were either good guys or antiheroes who didn't agree on how to deal with Fraulein Kreutune. A bit of knowledge on the characters makes it pretty easy to see that, except for Touma and Mikoto, everyone was holding back: Leivinia is called out for not using her tarot magic, Silvia was using the combat style that she uses to restrain her strength, Thor wasn't using Almighty and Brunhild didn't use her magic or tried to drop her sword despite it being a hindrance. Do you really think those four would act like that if they wanted their opponent dead?

The opinions of people who don't know the true events are irrelevant, Touma is a weak fighter, this is known and stated by him, the story and plenty of characters, including allies. OT already dwelled on this, but NT hammered it in even more: what makes Touma important is not his status or power as a fighter, it's how he saves people and inspires others to become better persons; a.k.a. his status as a hero who saves. This happens with all Kamachi protagonists. Kamachi used this comparison in the crossover when the boys and girls fight that explains it perfectly:

Some might wonder which side would win in a serious conflict, but generally, the girls were far stronger. If the boys could be seen as a pawn with a chance to be promoted, the girls were all rooks and bishops.

They might have been able to strike at the weaknesses of any one of the girls, but there was nothing they could do when an Object, some Youkai, a Level 5, and a Killer Queen all attacked at once.

Kamachi male protagonists are pawns and his heroines and female protagonists are bishops or rooks. The girls have the definite power, and will beat the guys at least 9 times out of 10 in a serious fight. The guys are weak, but by using their skills at the right time the right way they can win a battle in a way the stronger pieces might be unable to. The only ones to break the mold are Accelerator and Boo Boo.

As for the fight, without speed equalized Archer blitzes and stomps Leivinia.

 

[Gemmysaur]

I can see Archer winning by reading her stick with Structural Grasp and shooting her down with a strong arrow sword far outside her reach.

 

[LazyHunter]

Sure, the second arrow would work. But he doesn't really need that. If Touma can keep up with base Birdway, then Archer will destroy her.

 

[LordAizenSama]

I'm thinking that you should stop doing these fate stay night vs To Aru threads, it's pretty apparent that it's just going to result in more mismatches. Just read and analyse the profile statistics to help you?

Anyway stomp thread closed.