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OkayJust that the dragon quest scaling doesn't work and should be removed. The whole dragon quest thing can just be immersion + limited data and limited plot manip. All I can remember ATM
If it makes you feel better about it. Another peice of evidence would be Arale demeanor took a 180 after Goku's statement. Even when she got blown to bits she didn't act like that. I think he blew away base goku in that situation.Alright i'll take your word for the good doctor's senses. BUT i still think Senbei was more worried about Beerus' power(Casually sent her+a guy keeping up with her flying without any effort or making contact with them) & erasure hax(We agreed that film reel feat doesn't give EE resistance also Senbei wasn't there when she did that) rather than Goku's statement(wWo doesn't know all her tricks).
Probably on some pirated sites. However, idk specifically.On a sidenote does anyboy know where to watch these specials?
It's probably fineI'd rather wait for ArmBill's opinion, unless he already agreed, if that's the case, I don't object to this change.
CoolThe three abilities you mentioned
Why wouldn't It work when she scales balanlty to nimzo? Or whatever his name that is
This would be why if you didn't know. I don't remember if we discussed it.Why?
Sure ig
So what range are we gonna use then?Well the range depends on if you apply lore or not. Personally I feel like it would be fine to do that. As it's explicitly dqv, but it seems applying lore was rejected.
This would be why if you didn't know. I don't remember if we discussed it.
It's just the reasoning on why they scale to certain characters in the verse.What's this supposed to debunk?
Ah, my bad. Who would Arale scale to, again?It's just the reasoning on why they scale to certain characters in the verse.
She would scale to the top tiers such as nimzo and ezark according to these.Ah, my bad. Who would Arale scale to, again?
If she scales above to them in terms of stat and get new abilities [Sumons and limited data manipulation] wouldn't a different key make more sense here? Or there is something I'm missing.She would scale to the top tiers such as nimzo and ezark according to these.
Why wouldn't the lore be relevant the scaling, when we do scale via lore and suchI don't see why lore would be relevant, sorry. Just put inter dimensional
Her demer didn't change when Goku talked(her expression wasn't any different then when Trunks told her to keep quite) nor when she got her head knocked off. When Beerus prepares to destroy her she looked more confused than scared. Kinda like before she got blown pieces. Even if you think she more worried in DBS she could have seen Beerus erasure(which ain't suprising since she turned around at his side when Beerus landed, she has even crazier senses than Senbei as she has looked fight far into outerspace from Earth & she wasn't that far the next scene). It would be harder to get fixed from erasure than getting broken.If it makes you feel better about it. Another peice of evidence would be Arale demeanor took a 180 after Goku's statement. Even when she got blown to bits she didn't act like that. I think he blew away base goku in that situation.
Wasn't @Ss3micah gonna prepare sth about the buu saga scaling too?Are there anymore stat related things to discuss?
But again, why are we scaling her to dragon quest or dungeons and dragons or whatever it is? It doesn't make sense. Especially since her data and plot manip takes care of that. There is no scaling of anything to be done here.Why wouldn't the lore be relevant the scaling, when we do scale via lore and such
But she saw the erasure and still acted all goofy and happy. So we know that wasn't the reason. She changed her demeanor once they warned her, and kept it while Beerus was about to destroy her, which is very seldom. It propagates Goku's statement imo.Her demer didn't change when Goku talked(her expression wasn't any different then when Trunks told her to keep quite) nor when she got her head knocked off. When Beerus prepares to destroy her she looked more confused than scared. Kinda like before she got blown pieces. Even if you think she more worried in DBS she could have seen Beerus erasure(which ain't suprising since she turned around at his side when Beerus landed, she has even crazier senses than Senbei as she has looked fight far into outerspace from Earth & she wasn't that far the next scene). It would be harder to get fixed from erasure than getting broken.
True!Wasn't @Ss3micah gonna prepare sth about the buu saga scaling too?
I just noticed sth about Arale
Comes from a 80s manga
Goes on bizzare adventures
Reads Jump & fights people who can break the 4th wall like Jotaro has
Has abyssed hot immortal vampires
Has a floating companian that STANDS besides her
We need jojo memes with her
Well it would be a stat thing because they blitzed and one shotted nimzo. Plus the the priest statment is for when people are max level. When he said they're strong enough.But again, why are we scaling her to dragon quest or dungeons and dragons or whatever it is? It doesn't make sense. Especially since her data and plot manip takes care of that. There is no scaling of anything to be done here.
Because he was using it at evil guy, not her, at that time & as a saying goes "All's fun & games till it's your turn to get the short end of the stick". Again she didn't change when Goku warned. She kept the same expression from the time Trunks told her to keep quite, got confused when Beerus showed he was angry & charged that ball. We have seen a simular expressions when she isn't understanding sth(He gets mad only beacuse she asked him to play. That would suprising for sb who doesn't know Beerus' personality) or when sb matching/overpowering her(CM 4, 7 & Super).But she saw the erasure and still acted all goofy and happy. So we know that wasn't the reason. She changed her demeanor once they warned her, and kept it while Beerus was about to destroy her, which is very seldom. It propagates Goku's statement imo.
As I mentioned a few times, its a hyper specifics form of immersion and data manip. As we already established, she doesn't follow the rules of the system due to her own toon force powers - which comes as a form of data manip or resistance to it. So, no, the scaling won't be justifiable, especially since she is not canon to the game verse.Well it would be a stat thing because they blitzed and one shotted nimzo. Plus the the priest statment is for when people are max level. When he said they're strong enough.
The data stuff only works for her summons tho, she specifically stlped following the rules how much companions she can get.As I mentioned a few times, its a hyper specifics form of immersion and data manip. As we already established, she doesn't follow the rules of the system due to her own toon force powers - which comes as a form of data manip or resistance to it. So, no, the scaling won't be justifiable, especially since she is not canon to the game verse.
I already repeated myself a few times... You can use it as supporting evidence for plot manip, because this kind of thing would usually not qualify straight up for plot manip. To qualify for plot manip, you have to know your very own story is a plot and you can affect it in various ways.And as for the later point. If it's done via plot manipulation, then it shouldn't be limited at all, since she essentially ignored the story changed the entire narrative to have her easily defeat the grand master nimzo instead of the hero
Oh no, it very much does. I can mess around with a computer, hack it, do I actually now scale to a tier 2 character, hmm? Scaling characters from something like this which involves heavy hax like data and plot manip is rather stupid.And her being not canon to the verse doesn't disprove anything at all.
She should've understood from everyone freaking out and whis hyping up Beerus. That he could destroy anything. Plus Mashirito got hakaied for just talking to Beerus and slightly annoying him. Like you said and I showed she has pretty good senses. Even then she wanted to **** around with Beerus. It started with Trunks statment yeah. However, she still kept the expression. With Obotchaman, she became confused when he was being weird. Not exactly the same situation, right when they started to fight she became akin to her usual self. With Caramel Man 7, she only had that expression when he learned she couldn't affect him. Which is more similar to the Beerus case, even then though she still fought till being broken into multiple peices. But in the Beerus situation she had the context that her "stuff" wouldn't work on him. Plus she didn't even try and do anything and stood there, even though she wasn't immobilized.Because he was using it at evil guy, not her, at that time & as a saying goes "All's fun & games till it's your turn to get the short end of the stick". Again she didn't change when Goku warned. She kept the same expression from the time Trunks told her to keep quite, got confused when Beerus showed he was angry & charged that ball. We have seen a simular expressions when she isn't understanding sth(He gets mad only beacuse she asked him to play. That would suprising for sb who doesn't know Beerus' personality) or when sb matching/overpowering her(CM 4, 7 & Super).
No, The user can be unaware of having said hax and it would still be a full fledged ability.I already repeated myself a few times... You can use it as supporting evidence for plot manip, because this kind of thing would usually not qualify straight up for plot manip. To qualify for plot manip, you have to know your very own story is a plot and you can affect it in various ways.
That's not exactly the same since she was sent into the game. Plus if you use plot Manipulation to become stronger than someone, you're still stronger than them. It still a stat. Plus all of her power is from Toonforce anyways.I already repeated myself a few times... You can use it as supporting evidence for plot manip, because this kind of thing would usually not qualify straight up for plot manip. To qualify for plot manip, you have to know your very own story is a plot and you can affect it in various ways.
Oh no, it very much does. I can mess around with a computer, hack it, do I actually now scale to a tier 2 character, hmm? Scaling characters from something like this which involves heavy hax like data and plot manip is rather stupid.
Characters have used their own manga, the dragonball manga, and even Shonen Jump. Plus it's explicitly dqv. I dont really see a reason to say it would be applicable.Now, I don't know the game verse at all, and don't know how OP they are meant to be or how it all works out, but cross scaling anything like this is a no go. It just doesn't make sense. Just because you can do something inside a fictional setting, doesn't mean you can the same here. However, if she were canon to the game in any form or shape, then yes, she can scale, but she doesn't here.
Plot Manipulation is literally just a better Fate Manipulation. So yes, there's correlation.Don't see the correlation to sonic, but plot manip is often slightly different. And yes, there can be people who can manipulate plot in certain ways without knowing, however, that's not the case here.
That she went to and was explicitly stated to beNow the proposal is to upgrade Arale’s tier to scale to characters from another series??