Andromeda Shun FATE HAX

[Bobepipipiri]

While young, Shun was given the "Yours Ever" pendant by Pandora. Marking him to be destined to become Hades's vessel.

In short, by divine will, Shun could not die in battle until he became Hades's vessel in the Hades Chapter.

Medallón de Hades

El medallón con la leyenda “Yours Ever” es un indicador con el cual Hades puede localizar en cualquier parte del mundo a la persona que le corresponde ser su huésped en cada era, según Pandora, este medallón sería clave para que ella lograra encontrar al huésped de Hades a pesar de que pasen...

saintseiya.fandom.com

 

[StekFence]

Bump cos interested

 

[KingPin0422]

Bump cos interested

Don't bother. The OP got permanently banned when they were exposed as a sockpuppet account by someone who has been extremely problematic for this site in the past.

 

[Bobsican]

The OP being banned doesn't render the ideas in the OP inherently invalid.
I can also speak over this user if there's something to bring up or so.

 

[KingPin0422]

The OP being banned doesn't render the ideas in the OP inherently invalid.
I can also speak over this user if there's something to bring up or so.

...but there's barely anything. And what little is given to explain Andromeda Shun having Fate Manipulation not only just factually isn't Andromeda Shun manipulating fate, but also may straight-up be incorrect - the page linked doesn't mention anything about Shun not being able to die until Hades possesses him (I translated it with Google Translate because it's in Spanish), and given the history of the person behind this account, I can't exactly trust them to be truthful.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Technically its not fate manipulation.


its just Possession

also iirc host bodies can die without awakening the God closely related to them being awakened.


though there is Fate Manipulation in the verse, but im currently trying to wrap my mind around Acasuality to lump it into the same CRT in the future.

 

[Bobsican]

"The medallion is stated to mark Shun to become the next body of Hades by Divine Will in the future, which made him technically fated to survive all fights up to that point, so this should only apply to Shun before having the God Cloth.

And Fate Manipulation an be given to characters despite them not manipulating fate themselves. Such is the case for Mario (The reason behind the Fate Manipulation ability is due to the lore established Super Mario RPG, where there's a place named Star Road which grants people's wishes and turns them into stars once granted. Mario's wish was to always be able to save Princess Peach. )

The notion or reputation of the user is no evidence against this notion, if you find proof of this proposal being incorrect, please present it."

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

using Aiolia as an example, Aiolia is the host body for Zeus, but Aiolia does die later without awakening Zeus. The same logic should extend to him as well. As he is chosen by Zeus's Divine Will.


The Gods are the ones manipulating the fate of their chosen host through there "Divine Will". So its like giving Shun passive fate manipulation for an ability that isn't his. which is a complicate concept in the verse its basically doing hax mostly subconsciously

 

[KingPin0422]

"The medallion is stated to mark Shun to become the next body of Hades by Divine Will in the future, which made him technically fated to survive all fights up to that point, so this should only apply to Shun before having the God Cloth.

Where, though? We require scans of this being stated or shown in the series, as always. We can't just go off of someone's words, no matter how trustworthy they are otherwise.

And Fate Manipulation an be given to characters despite them not manipulating fate themselves. Such is the case for Mario (The reason behind the Fate Manipulation ability is due to the lore established Super Mario RPG, where there's a place named Star Road which grants people's wishes and turns them into stars once granted. Mario's wish was to always be able to save Princess Peach. )

I know that Power Bestowal is a thing, but even that implies being able to, you know, actually make use of that power yourself, whether actively or passively, which does not seem to be what is happening here.

The notion or reputation of the user is no evidence against this notion, if you find proof of this proposal being incorrect, please present it."

It doesn't refute evidence, but I wasn't using it to refute evidence. I was stating how I felt. After all, if someone constantly tells lies, the natural human response is to lose trust in their ability to tell the truth.

Look, just give me evidence of the series directly supporting your claim, and if it's legitimate and concrete enough, I'll be more than happy to concede and move on.

 

[StekFence]

using Aiolia as an example, Aiolia is the host body for Zeus, but Aiolia does die later without awakening Zeus. The same logic should extend to him as well. As he is chosen by Zeus's Divine Will.

But in the continuity where Zeus posseses him, aiolia is alive at that time.

 

[StekFence]

But I see what u mean

 

[Bobsican]

If Shun or Airoria are not allowed from diverting from a certain fate, then they should have fate manipulation even if they are not causing this fate manipulation themselves. Again, similar to how Mario cannot die permanently because he'd become unable to save peach eventually.

"The Gods have given him a destiny"

"and in this age, your brother (Shun) is the chosen one".

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