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I feel that it may be good to have the image uploaded in several image-hosting platforms at the same time.
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An Important Notice Regarding Imgur
- Thread starter Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Glad to be of service. If it doesn't work, try turning it off and on again. Imgur's blocked in my place too, but with WARP I can use it easily.
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You are talking about 10000+ images, if you are a volunteer and have plenty of time, feel free to be my guest.
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i hate it here
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I feel encouraging back ups should be encouraged. Don't keep all your eggs in one basket, kinda thing. not saying this exclusively with regards to hosting, moreso saving the files in general. Can't exactly speak for how others will want to handle doing that individually.
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Hence the idea to pressure Fandom to increase its file size limits and implement better image-handling features to increase and maximize ease of use and pull in more users and in turn generate more profit.
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For what it's worth, since 2011, Imgur has deleted images that haven't gotten any views in the last 6 months. I hope there isn't a tightening on this, but if that didn't cause issues, then maybe this won't?
The explicit images part could really suck, though.
The explicit images part could really suck, though.
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Our wiki manager got back to me regarding image-hosting within our wiki itself:
"Lder got back to me. He said
"Rule of thumb on this is to remove the dialogue from the pages before uploading them to the wiki, unless text on a specific comic page is used to source wiki content. Basically, we just want to make sure people aren't visiting the wiki to read a comic instead of paying for it."
Essentially, only put up as much as you need to. It is okay to put some stuff up, but try to only put up what is important, and blank out any dialogue that does not relate to it."
The dialogue recurrently describes the referenced feats for character statistics and abilities, or gives relevant context to them, so that does not seem like a realistic solution in general.
"Lder got back to me. He said
"Rule of thumb on this is to remove the dialogue from the pages before uploading them to the wiki, unless text on a specific comic page is used to source wiki content. Basically, we just want to make sure people aren't visiting the wiki to read a comic instead of paying for it."
Essentially, only put up as much as you need to. It is okay to put some stuff up, but try to only put up what is important, and blank out any dialogue that does not relate to it."
The dialogue recurrently describes the referenced feats for character statistics and abilities, or gives relevant context to them, so that does not seem like a realistic solution in general.
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I will ask again.
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Size limit is universal, I don't think they will give us an exception unless we pay or something obviously.
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Yeah... that's not a realistic solution to take, at all. To remove the dialogue would be to axe majority of the context behind the feat before and after, and it can get rife with taking feats out of context even in the case of having references on.
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Ya but you need to understand their perspective as well. They also don't need their fandom be a place where you read comics for free.
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Not like you need to add all the scans now, do you?
It's also the same case with Calc blogs where multiple images frame-by-frame are often needed but the entire movie isn't shown simply because that's a shitton of images.
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I believe people are misunderstanding the wiki manager's comment. To quote:
"Rule of thumb on this is to remove the dialogue from the pages before uploading them to the wiki, unless text on a specific comic page is used to source wiki content."
We've clearly acknowledged the first part, but not the second part. This statement by the wiki manager tells us that, if the text on the page in question is actually relevant to understanding the feat being sourced, it's okay to leave the text in. We just need to redact text that isn't necessary for proper sourcing - in other words, if we could get rid of the text and the feat would be just as well-sourced, we need to.
Taking the wiki manager's statement at face value, we shouldn't run into issues with sourcing dialogue in pages where it is necessary.
"Rule of thumb on this is to remove the dialogue from the pages before uploading them to the wiki, unless text on a specific comic page is used to source wiki content."
We've clearly acknowledged the first part, but not the second part. This statement by the wiki manager tells us that, if the text on the page in question is actually relevant to understanding the feat being sourced, it's okay to leave the text in. We just need to redact text that isn't necessary for proper sourcing - in other words, if we could get rid of the text and the feat would be just as well-sourced, we need to.
Taking the wiki manager's statement at face value, we shouldn't run into issues with sourcing dialogue in pages where it is necessary.
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While that could be fine, there's two potential issues. One of people misrepresenting evidence by cropping out text and claiming it's irrelevant, whether by being actually malicious, or not realising that some of the text is important. A second one of casual viewers worrying about us doing that.
It may be the best option we have, but it ain't perfect.
It may be the best option we have, but it ain't perfect.
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Yap context of said scan is still as relevant as the feat itself.
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I got an Email from Imgur, they basically mentioned both public and private images will not be including
- Nudity or Sexually Explicit Content
- This does NOT include ones meant to be Educational, Artistic, or Informational Content
They did mention that some exceptions might end up getting flagged automatically was what they meant by "Older unused images" but their primary focus is basically just albums containing nudity or sexual content. So thought I would let that be known.
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So, given the latest information that Medeus kindly provided, do we still have major reasons for significant concerns and taking action?
Also, I have asked our wiki manager for clarifications regarding this.
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Not that significant but a little notice that people slowly need to create account when linking scans
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Yap and I feel uncomfortable migrating to a completely other image service platform because as far as I can say, imgur is still one of the most biggest and trustworthy one.
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I am not sure beyond the following:
Sensible staff evaluations and suggestions would be very appreciated.
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I think the basics that I laid out previously would still apply. As has been pointed out, we cannot be sure of what exactly will and will not be deleted- while I don't think many issues will arise from those of us with an account, the fact is that we are still likely to lose some fraction of our scans hosted on Imgur, and it is more or less impossible to determine which will be removed. Advising people to create an Imgur account if they continue to use it is necessary, as is creating an account on whatever other image hosting source they intend to move to, should they choose it. A thread to handle what damage does get noticed is still an option.
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@Antvasima by any chance, i have suggestion, there is an option in fandom where you host announcements (i remember one is already there to notify users about external forum), we could create a similar announcement for imgur issue one.
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I'm gonna again harp that if you're working with a large number of files you should probably look at having multiple storage options, offline, online, whatever.
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Well, I would greatly appreciate if somebody is willing to write a draft text for a new official rule in that regard, so I can improve on it, and we can publish it afterwards. I am unfortunately extremely distracted by other work and important real life events right now.
Well, as you mentioned, we already use our single available pop-up message there to provide information about our external forum, which is even more important for us, but I think that our old additional option for logged-in members only may still remain for us to use to highlight an information blog post. I will check.
Edit: I found it, and think that we can still use that option.
Is somebody willing to write a draft text for a public information thread in our forum that contains instructions in its first post, so we can highlight a link to that, both via our wiki and forum?
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I received a reply from our wiki manager regarding the above post.
"To my understanding, the question is about "Movie Screenshots", "Novel Pages" and "Context within" (The content in regards to comics, novel pages and movie screenshots).
To my understanding, I personally would agree with what DarkGrath said in the following post.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/an-important-notice-regarding-imgur.152549/post-5677372
I personally believe that if some context is used for the feat, it should be okay, just so long as it's not overboard. Now, this is just "Kai's Opinion" so don't take it as an absolute truth. I still will need to ask my boss about it again for further clarification, but here is what I would say. I would think if the context is required to understand the feat, it should be allowed.
I will ask for further clarification to ensure what I said was correct."
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And Video games?
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So about this...
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Oh my bad, I forget, will create the draft text. Should I also do it visually?
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So about the guidelines, I will add it in editing rules page --> images under this rule
We add a sub list and add this line
And as for instructions, here is the sandbox.
We add a sub list and add this line
And as for instructions, here is the sandbox.
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@ImmortalDread The change to the Editing Rules page looks good. It's clear, concise, and communicates the intended message well.
As for the information page sandbox:
"As y'all noticed, the imgur has updated their Terms and services which may impact our work and profile creation in general."
Preferably, the page should be polished to be a bit more professionally worded than this. The page as a whole has somewhat amateurish phrasing and formatting, at odds with most of our important articles, but this can easily be patched up with basic editing. For the most part, the page looks good.
As for the information page sandbox:
"As y'all noticed, the imgur has updated their Terms and services which may impact our work and profile creation in general."
Preferably, the page should be polished to be a bit more professionally worded than this. The page as a whole has somewhat amateurish phrasing and formatting, at odds with most of our important articles, but this can easily be patched up with basic editing. For the most part, the page looks good.
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Yes, after improving on the wording somewhat, I also think that the new page looks very good. Thanks a lot for your help. 
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...ions?type=revision&diff=7970596&oldid=7970002
I tried to improve slightly on the structure of your suggested rule text as well:
"We strongly advise creating an account on Imgur before uploading images and gifs. This should be done in order to ensure that your work is securely saved and has a lower risk of being deleted from the website, which can potentially result in broken links."
So is it fine if I publish the contents of ImmortalDread's blog as a regular official instruction page in our wiki, embed a "For further instructions please click here." link to it in the rule text listed above, and inform our community members via highlighted messages in our forum and wiki then? Or do we still have anything left to decide here?
Also, what should we call that page? "Image Uploading Instructions" or "Image Uploading Policies" in order to allow for further relevant instructions regarding such topics to more easily potentially be added later?
In addition, should we add instructions of how to bypass the Imgur ban in certain countries via the most reliable and least dangerous free or paid VPNs, or would that cause potential legal problems or encourage our members to take great personal risks (for Chinese citizens for example)?
And it is very important that all members with Imgur accounts stay publicly anonymous despite hosting our images with them. Should we investigate how this can be accomplished? Signing up with one's personal Facebook or Google accounts sounds dangerous in that regard, for example.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...ions?type=revision&diff=7970596&oldid=7970002
I tried to improve slightly on the structure of your suggested rule text as well:
"We strongly advise creating an account on Imgur before uploading images and gifs. This should be done in order to ensure that your work is securely saved and has a lower risk of being deleted from the website, which can potentially result in broken links."
So is it fine if I publish the contents of ImmortalDread's blog as a regular official instruction page in our wiki, embed a "For further instructions please click here." link to it in the rule text listed above, and inform our community members via highlighted messages in our forum and wiki then? Or do we still have anything left to decide here?
Also, what should we call that page? "Image Uploading Instructions" or "Image Uploading Policies" in order to allow for further relevant instructions regarding such topics to more easily potentially be added later?
In addition, should we add instructions of how to bypass the Imgur ban in certain countries via the most reliable and least dangerous free or paid VPNs, or would that cause potential legal problems or encourage our members to take great personal risks (for Chinese citizens for example)?
And it is very important that all members with Imgur accounts stay publicly anonymous despite hosting our images with them. Should we investigate how this can be accomplished? Signing up with one's personal Facebook or Google accounts sounds dangerous in that regard, for example.
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