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Let the rage begin.
Creeper
Stealth Mastery should not be there. Period. Even if the Creeper was completely silent, which isn't, that's not stealth jesus christ.
Intelligence should be Unknown, if not animalistic. It's based off Stealth Mastery, which I've debunked.
Speed should be just Below Average Human. Literally ANY mob can dodge an arrow if you're aim is bad enough. There's no proof of any mob 'dodging' any projectile.
Durability should be Unknown. For one thing, it's based off scaling from the Skeleton, which is based off stat points-which are a game mechanic and should not be used for scaling. For TWO, the durability for the Skeleton is complete bullshit because it assumes the Nether vaporizes the water through heat.
Zombie
Being healed by the Potion of Harming should not be a listed feat. Turning Villagers into Zombies is NOT disease manipulation.
Attack Potency should be unknown for every form. It's based off scaling through stat points, which are game mechanics. The other forms are based off scaling to other forms, which are scaled to stat points, etc...
Speed. Scales to the skeleton, whose speed stat is based off 'reacting to it's own arrows', which NEVER happens.
Lifting Strength needs a reference, if not just being Unknown. Where the **** is Class 25 coming from?
Striking Strength should be the same as AP. Unknown.
Durability should be Unknown. Taking a beating from Steve is purely through ******* game mechanics.
Stamina should be unknown.
Intelligence should be Possibly Animalistic. Where the flying **** do 'battle smarts' come from? They can't tell weak from strong swords either. They're virtually brainless.
Skeleto
Attack Potency. Shouldn't scale to the silverfish Because of Game Mechanics (abbreviated from henceforth as BoGM.)
Speed. Never has been shown doing the feat that garnered it Subsonic speed in the first place.
Durability. Nothing in the Nether implies it vaporizes water because of heat.
Stamina. Should be unknown because of no proof. (Abbreviated as SBU.)
Intelligence. They have no degree of battle smarts, have no showings of swordsmanship, and are not capable of driving out the player. Them being SUPPOSEDLY good with bows is their only "feat" and it's debatable.
Spider
Spiders cannot see through blocks anymore, so no Enhanced Senses.
Attack Potency. Based off Debunked Skeleton.
Speed. Based off Debunked Skeleton.
Lifting Strength. A skeleton's weight is unidentifiable. And moving while someone is on your back isn't really lifting, is it?
Striking Strength. Based off the debunked AP.
Durability. Based off Debunked Skeleton/based off Striking strength.
Stamina. SBU.
Slime
Attack Potency. AP should never be based on size | They don't scale to silverfish | Based off Skeleton AP/debunked medium form
Speed. Needs references.
Striking Strength. Based off AP.
Durability. Snow Golem's AP is questionable, you'll see later on down the road | Based off Striking Strength | Based off Striking Strength
Stamina. BoGM.
Spider Jockey
No Enhanced Senses, only the spider is invisible, only the skeleton resists electricity, Weakness only applies to the Skeleton.
Attack Potency, Speed, Lifting/Striking Strength, Durability and Stamina. Based off scaling from debunked Spider/Skeleton.
Phantom
Attack Potency. Based off scaling to other monsters, which are based off scaling to Skeleton.
Speed. Based off scaling to the Enderman, who never reacts to arrows, but it's the basis of the enderman's speed rating.
Striking Strength. Based off AP.
Durability. Based off Striking Strength.
Stamina. BoGM.
Witch
Speed, Durability. Based off scaling to Skeleton.
Vindicator
Attack Potency, Speed, Striking Strength, Durability. Based off direct or indirect scaling to a skeleton.
Attack Potency. Them being town level as a group is a very irrelevant thing to make note of, since they would be as such with or without scaling to Evoker.
Stamina. BoGM.
Intelligence. It's not "skilled" in using axes. Intelligence should be lower.
Evoker.
Attack Potency, Speed, Durability. Based off direct/indirect scaling to the Skeleton.
Stamina. BoGM.
Vex
AP. Scales to Zombie, who scales to Skeleton.
Speed. Subsonic speed shouldn't be there.
Striking Strength. Based off AP.
Durability. Based off Striking Strength.
Zombie Pigma
AP. Equality to the Vindicator is based off Game Mechanics. The Ghast being stronger than Skeletons/Zombies is based off Game Mechanics. And the Skeleton itself has debunked stats. Triple threat!
Speed. Compares to Skeleton.
Striking Strength. Based off AP.
Durability. Based off Striking Strength.
Stamina. Being undead does not give you extra stamina jesus ******* christ.
Timeout
So far, I've spent nearly 2 hours working on this and I realized that most of this would be me complaining about direct/indirect scaling to the Skeleton/Enderman. So I'm going to use the rest of this thread to talk about more specific issues concerning each monster. From here on out I'm not gonna talk about scaling to other mobs.
The hate continues
-Ghasts: Range needs reference. Stamina should be Unknown. Durability should be unknown, the Nether vaporizing water through sheer heat is a headcanon. -Blaze: Attack Potency is based off being 'stronger' than the Nether Head headcanon; not only is the Nether being extremely hot a headcanon, how exactly would the Blaze scale to it? Striking Strength needs a reference, unless it's more damned Skeleton scaling.
-Magma Cube:
-Wither Skeleto: Does Poison Manipulation count as Corrosion Inducement?(N) Resistance to Fire has no reference, shouldn't be there. Attack Potency is a bad hypothetical and should be labeled as Unknown. Wither Effect is just poison, not necessarily durability negation. Durability is based off Nether Headcanon. -Snow Golem: Durability is based off scaling through game statistics. Stamina should be Unknown. Attack Potency seems fine, but questionable still. -Iron Golem: Lifting Strength is wrong since it 'flinging' Steve into the air is just attacking it. Any mob is capable of damaging Steve with diamond armor, so that should not be used to determine Attack Potency. Shouldn't scale to the wither (The Player with iron armor can defeat the Ender Dragon, but we don't use that as scaling). Striking and Durability are based off AP.
-Wither:
-Silverfish: Speed comes from an Endermen feat where it dodges arrows, except the feat is non-existent, so the scaling is as well. Stamina should be Unknown. -Snow Golem: Speed scales to Debunked Skeleton. Durability is either unfounded or based off in-game mechanics and statistics, either of which means that Snow Golem should have Unknown Durability. Stamina should be unknown.
(I've started talking about Skeleton speed shenanigans again)
-Guardia:
-Ender Drago:
-Enderme: It doesn't have dimensional travel, period. Attack Potency LITERALLY HAS NO REFERENCE ('Can trade blows with others on it's level.' 'Character X is continent level because it's as strong as itself!'). Endermen cannot 'dodge' arrows anymore than them just moving out of the way randomly due to AI. Striking strength is based off a non-existent AP stat. Durability is questionable. Stamina should be unknown, regardless of the statement. Teleportation is most certainly not Low Multiversal.
-Shulker: Shulker AP only scales to Enderman's non-existent AP. Their speed stat is magnificent-you cannot be immobile and have subsonic reaction speed.
-Endermite: They do not scale or compare to the Silverfish in any way apart from imagination and in-game statistics. Speed is Skeleton Scaling/Enderman Scaling. Striking strength is based off AP, and Durability is based off Striking Strength.
-The Entities/The Real Player: Despite their ridiculous tier of Low Multiversal, they have no references, when they should be chock-filled with them. I thought Tier 2's were held with a high standard, but these pages don't possess any references. And they come completely from a very long passage of text, too, it should not be so hard. Plus, it all comes from an extremely vague and mysterious poem, which is very difficult to derive AP from.
Final Statements
This is virtually every Minecraft character apart from the passive mobs. I think with this tsunami of issues, the entire verse should be blacklisted until revision has been done.
Creeper
Stealth Mastery should not be there. Period. Even if the Creeper was completely silent, which isn't, that's not stealth jesus christ.
Intelligence should be Unknown, if not animalistic. It's based off Stealth Mastery, which I've debunked.
Speed should be just Below Average Human. Literally ANY mob can dodge an arrow if you're aim is bad enough. There's no proof of any mob 'dodging' any projectile.
Durability should be Unknown. For one thing, it's based off scaling from the Skeleton, which is based off stat points-which are a game mechanic and should not be used for scaling. For TWO, the durability for the Skeleton is complete bullshit because it assumes the Nether vaporizes the water through heat.
Zombie
Being healed by the Potion of Harming should not be a listed feat. Turning Villagers into Zombies is NOT disease manipulation.
Attack Potency should be unknown for every form. It's based off scaling through stat points, which are game mechanics. The other forms are based off scaling to other forms, which are scaled to stat points, etc...
Speed. Scales to the skeleton, whose speed stat is based off 'reacting to it's own arrows', which NEVER happens.
Lifting Strength needs a reference, if not just being Unknown. Where the **** is Class 25 coming from?
Striking Strength should be the same as AP. Unknown.
Durability should be Unknown. Taking a beating from Steve is purely through ******* game mechanics.
Stamina should be unknown.
Intelligence should be Possibly Animalistic. Where the flying **** do 'battle smarts' come from? They can't tell weak from strong swords either. They're virtually brainless.
Skeleto
Attack Potency. Shouldn't scale to the silverfish Because of Game Mechanics (abbreviated from henceforth as BoGM.)
Speed. Never has been shown doing the feat that garnered it Subsonic speed in the first place.
Durability. Nothing in the Nether implies it vaporizes water because of heat.
Stamina. Should be unknown because of no proof. (Abbreviated as SBU.)
Intelligence. They have no degree of battle smarts, have no showings of swordsmanship, and are not capable of driving out the player. Them being SUPPOSEDLY good with bows is their only "feat" and it's debatable.
Spider
Spiders cannot see through blocks anymore, so no Enhanced Senses.
Attack Potency. Based off Debunked Skeleton.
Speed. Based off Debunked Skeleton.
Lifting Strength. A skeleton's weight is unidentifiable. And moving while someone is on your back isn't really lifting, is it?
Striking Strength. Based off the debunked AP.
Durability. Based off Debunked Skeleton/based off Striking strength.
Stamina. SBU.
Slime
Attack Potency. AP should never be based on size | They don't scale to silverfish | Based off Skeleton AP/debunked medium form
Speed. Needs references.
Striking Strength. Based off AP.
Durability. Snow Golem's AP is questionable, you'll see later on down the road | Based off Striking Strength | Based off Striking Strength
Stamina. BoGM.
Spider Jockey
No Enhanced Senses, only the spider is invisible, only the skeleton resists electricity, Weakness only applies to the Skeleton.
Attack Potency, Speed, Lifting/Striking Strength, Durability and Stamina. Based off scaling from debunked Spider/Skeleton.
Phantom
Attack Potency. Based off scaling to other monsters, which are based off scaling to Skeleton.
Speed. Based off scaling to the Enderman, who never reacts to arrows, but it's the basis of the enderman's speed rating.
Striking Strength. Based off AP.
Durability. Based off Striking Strength.
Stamina. BoGM.
Witch
Speed, Durability. Based off scaling to Skeleton.
Vindicator
Attack Potency, Speed, Striking Strength, Durability. Based off direct or indirect scaling to a skeleton.
Attack Potency. Them being town level as a group is a very irrelevant thing to make note of, since they would be as such with or without scaling to Evoker.
Stamina. BoGM.
Intelligence. It's not "skilled" in using axes. Intelligence should be lower.
Evoker.
Attack Potency, Speed, Durability. Based off direct/indirect scaling to the Skeleton.
Stamina. BoGM.
Vex
AP. Scales to Zombie, who scales to Skeleton.
Speed. Subsonic speed shouldn't be there.
Striking Strength. Based off AP.
Durability. Based off Striking Strength.
Zombie Pigma
AP. Equality to the Vindicator is based off Game Mechanics. The Ghast being stronger than Skeletons/Zombies is based off Game Mechanics. And the Skeleton itself has debunked stats. Triple threat!
Speed. Compares to Skeleton.
Striking Strength. Based off AP.
Durability. Based off Striking Strength.
Stamina. Being undead does not give you extra stamina jesus ******* christ.
Timeout
So far, I've spent nearly 2 hours working on this and I realized that most of this would be me complaining about direct/indirect scaling to the Skeleton/Enderman. So I'm going to use the rest of this thread to talk about more specific issues concerning each monster. From here on out I'm not gonna talk about scaling to other mobs.
The hate continues
-Ghasts: Range needs reference. Stamina should be Unknown. Durability should be unknown, the Nether vaporizing water through sheer heat is a headcanon. -Blaze: Attack Potency is based off being 'stronger' than the Nether Head headcanon; not only is the Nether being extremely hot a headcanon, how exactly would the Blaze scale to it? Striking Strength needs a reference, unless it's more damned Skeleton scaling.
-Magma Cube:
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-Attack Potency for Small shouldn't be scaled to Silverfish, Medium shouldn't be scaled either, Large is based off Nether Headcanon. -Striking Strength should be Unknown for all of them. -Stamina should be Unknown.
-Wither:
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-Should have only Limited Forcefield Manipulation. -Death/Darkness Manipulation should not be there and are completely unfounded powers. -Resistance to Bad Luck is unfounded, should not be there. -Is not immune to Gravity, Blinding, Statistics Debuff or Poison/Corrosion(it's only immune to it's own Wither Effect). All unfounded powers. -Seeing invisible beings requires reference to the fact that it can see Players even when they have an invisibility potion in effect. -Multiversal Range for it screaming is the dumbest thing in this entire verse. In-canon Minecraft is not infinite. And there is no source stating that it spreads through all the worlds of Minecraft. -Wither Effect/Blue Wither Skull do not negate durability. -Should have teleporting as an ability, as it will teleport around the player at times. -On that note, there's no instance of it resisting either teleportation or BFR. -The Wither's AP solely scaling to Steve's Durability is bullshit, because Steve's durability comes from the fact that it solely scales to the Wither's AP. (A is strong because it clashed with B, B is strong because it clashed with A, how strong are they outside of comparisons?). -The Wither's speed scales to Steve, who scales to-(huge sigh)-the Skeleton, so the Wither's speed should be unknown.
(I've started talking about Skeleton speed shenanigans again)
-Guardia:
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-Attack Potency: Doesn't scale or compare to the Endermen in any way | Still doesn't compare to the Endermen | 'It's a boss, so it SHOULD be on the level of the other Bosses!' Complete idiocy. Toriel and Asriel Dreemurr are both bosses. They're trillions of times apart in terms of power. -Speed: Skeleton scaling again/ -Striking Strength is based off a broken AP. -Durability: Based off a broken Striking Strength | I guess this is correct | Based off the asinine 'Bosses are the same strength' statement. -Stamina should be Unknown.
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-Void Manipulation shouldn't be there. The void in minecraft isn't a literal void. -Is not immune to Bad Luck, death, blinding, etc. -Speed is completely unfounded and is based off a hypothetical statement. -Lifting Strength should be Unknown. It doesn't scale to Steve at all. -The Ender Crystals are listed as Regenerationn when they're just healing.
-Shulker: Shulker AP only scales to Enderman's non-existent AP. Their speed stat is magnificent-you cannot be immobile and have subsonic reaction speed.
-Endermite: They do not scale or compare to the Silverfish in any way apart from imagination and in-game statistics. Speed is Skeleton Scaling/Enderman Scaling. Striking strength is based off AP, and Durability is based off Striking Strength.
-The Entities/The Real Player: Despite their ridiculous tier of Low Multiversal, they have no references, when they should be chock-filled with them. I thought Tier 2's were held with a high standard, but these pages don't possess any references. And they come completely from a very long passage of text, too, it should not be so hard. Plus, it all comes from an extremely vague and mysterious poem, which is very difficult to derive AP from.
Final Statements
This is virtually every Minecraft character apart from the passive mobs. I think with this tsunami of issues, the entire verse should be blacklisted until revision has been done.