Alien x vs Demigra

[Greenshifter]

Yup but he’ll probably try it on the body. Be like wait this dude has no mind. Ki sense. (In the best case scenario) Ah I detect his mind there. Mindhax. Which needless to say, is gonna be too slow. That is unless you wanna argue his first move would be to literally mindhax the entire multiverse.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Yup but he’ll probably try it on the body. Be like wait this dude has no mind. Ki sense. (In the best case scenario) Ah I detect his mind there. Mindhax. Which needless to say, is gonna be too slow. That is unless you wanna argue his first move would be to literally mindhax the entire multiverse.

Deleted the reply as off morals =/= absolute knowledge on the opponent.

So Demigra mind hax fails and AX EEs right?

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Doesn't Alien x have anything that can take down Demigra exept of just EE? That's boring

 

[Greenshifter]

Deleted the reply as off morals =/= absolute knowledge on the opponent.

So Demigra mind hax fails and AX EEs right?

Yup

 

[Greenshifter]

Doesn't Alien x have anything that can take down Demigra exept of just EE? That's boring

Nope, sadly enough not yet.

 

[Rikimarox2]

I mean, he could also just, yknow, hit him.

If his EE is thought-based, then I guess he wins, but if it isn't, then its most likely an incon.

 

[Greenshifter]

I mean warping reality without a body should be sufficient proof right?

Even if the EE were blink-based he’d still outspeed Demigra’s ki blast.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Changing to AX FRA

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

Oh, then I'm changing my vote to Alien X

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

I'm pretty sure Demigra can affect the multiverse instantly if he wants

 

[StrymULTRA]

I'm pretty sure Demigra can affect the multiverse instantly if he wants

Why should he do if his attention is only on AX and he's not aware of the Multiverse inside AX?

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Why should he do if his attention is only on AX and he's not aware of the Multiverse inside AX?

AX having multiple personalities isn't gonna save him. Another reason why the previous match was a stomp

Also, Demigra can create clones of himself,which he does pretty often.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Oh, I’d just like to point out that (regardless of the whole Alien X EE debate) Demigra’s mindhax might not (immediately) work on AX. Reason being that rather than Demigra being able to affect an avatar of something (such as Darkrai putting Palkia to sleep, which was argued to also work on AX), he instead affects the multiverse inside someone. But since AX’s pocket dimension is merely connected to his body rather than being physically inside, Demigra would need to ki sense to locate the personalities and then mindhax them, if he even thinks about doing that and realizes who is controlling AX in the first place. So AX should win the quickdraw and just EE Demigra, conditional on the EE working on souls.

I mean

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Multiple personalities =/= Multiple minds

also, Demigra creates clones of himself pretty often too...

Pocket dimension doesn't mean anything if your opponent has infinitely more range than you and can affect said dimension

 

[StrymULTRA]

Demigra would attack only the physical body of AX, and thus not affecting the dimension since he's not aware of it, you've missed the point.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Demigra would attack only the physical body of AX, and thus not affecting the dimension since he's not aware of it, you've missed the point.

Demigra has 2-A range (2 sets of 2-A). He will sense that instantly. As i said he also spams his clones pretty often.Demigra's clones are separate entities from him. If Alien X EEs the clone, he's done for.

also,Is there any proof that the personalities are separated entities?

 

[StrymULTRA]

But AX has no ki to start with, how would he sense them lmao

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

But AX has no ki to start with, how would he sense them lmao

Verse equalization takes care of that,like any other match

 

[StrymULTRA]

Verse equalization takes care of that,like any other match

That's only if the opponent has some energy like magic or other spiritual energy, but there are issues with this:

• Only "ki-like" thing in Ben 10 verse is Mana
• Alien X, nor any Ben's alien has it

So Demigra ain't sensing them since Alien X hasn't an energy to be perceived to begin with.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Fair enough

Still need to see how AX can deal with the clones thought. Again, it's a thing he does pretty often. Him not being able to sense AX only makes this worse for the latter

 

[StrymULTRA]

Demigra ain't starting with the clones tho, he leads with mind hax

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Demigra ain't starting with the clones tho, he leads with mind hax

When he can't do something he spams his clones. See Xenoverse 1

Also, the personalities thing is... well idk how to explain it.

 

[StrymULTRA]

When he can't do something he spams his clones. See Xenoverse 1

Also, the personalities thing is... well idk how to explain it.

Implying that AX does nothing while Demigra tries to mess with him, the moment when Demigra already fails to Mind Hax him, AX would've already EE'd him since is still a though-based ability

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Implying that AX does nothing while Demigra tries to mess with him, the moment when Demigra already fails to Mind Hax him, AX would've already EE'd him since is still a though-based ability

Again, proof that the personalities are separated entities? Because they seem to be connected to AX,according to other threads.

Unless i'm missing something. People were doubting the EE being thought based,but idk.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Again, proof that the personalities are separated entities? Because they seem to be connected to AX,according to other threads.

Unless i'm missing something. People were doubting the EE being thought based,but idk.

Pocket Reality Manipulation (Serena, Bellicus and Ben Tennyson hold absolute control inside Alien X's body, which is a pocket universe that contains many galaxies)

Aka they're in another universe which isn't in AX physical body, so Demigra would try to affect just the latter since he's not aware of the pocket universe.

Also it should be though-based, since in his feats section he re-created the universe in almost every single detail of it correctly with just a thought, so the EE, a similar ability, should be too.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Ok

AX FRA

 

[Greenshifter]

Multiple personalities =/= Multiple minds

This is accepted. Check his page and the note. (I mean it was applied too early but I got 3-4 staff’s agreement by now in a CRT. The only issue is the location of his souls)

 

[Greenshifter]

He will sense that instantly

So he starts with sensing instead of mindhax? Guess he still loses the Quickdraw then.

 

[StrymULTRA]

So he starts with sensing instead of mindhax? Guess he still loses the Quickdraw then.

He doesen't, we already pointed out that his first move is Mind Hax even in other threads.

 

[Greenshifter]

Alien X, nor any Ben's alien has it

That’s wrong tho. Everyone has mana minus Ectonurites, so like I said if Demigra thinks about it, he could figure out the location of the personalities who probably all have mana.

But again, he can’t both sense and mindhax at the same time. So at the very least he’s gonna need 2 thoughts.

 

[StrymULTRA]

That’s wrong tho. Everyone has mana minus Ectonurites, so like I said if Demigra thinks about it, he could figure out the location of the personalities who probably all have mana.

But again, he can’t both sense and mindhax at the same time. So at the very least he’s gonna need 2 thoughts.

It has? Because he hasn't Magic on the profile so I assumed that he hasn't

 

[Greenshifter]

He has mana which is life-force or else he’d be dead. He just can’t control it (unless you wanna argue scaling but we actually have a WoG that he can’t control it without changing how it works, which is where his info manipulation comes from). So it’s basically like DB where everyone has ki but only select people can control it.

 

[StrymULTRA]

He definitely can perceive them then, but realizing it requires more thoughts, while AX just needs 1 to end the fight, so AX winning still stands.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

3 votes remains for Alien x

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

AX FRA

 

[StrymULTRA]

2 votes until grace UwU

 

[StrymULTRA]

Tho a question, why Demigra hasn't resistance to EE, despite DBS Goku or Xenoku have it?

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Tho a question, why Demigra hasn't resistance to EE, despite DBS Goku or Xenoku have it?

Demigra does have resistance to EE but only with the keysword

 

[StrymULTRA]

Demigra does have resistance to EE but only with the keysword

I mean, in base, it sounds weird, since Xeno Goku for example is resistant even without it

 

[Gohanblanco217]

I mean, in base, it sounds weird, since Xeno Goku for example is resistant even without it

And? Doesn't mean Demigra scales to it, similar to Beerus not having resistance to time stop despite of him being stronger then SSBKK Goku