Alien x vs Demigra

[Greenshifter]

1. watch GG VS AX fight
2. does reality warping 100% grant u EE always?! I dont think so

It doesn’t. But I think you forgot that the main proof is Servantis’ statement.

Basically the CRT went like this: Servantis’ statement was brought up.
Ant said this could give possibly EE.
Then I brought up Kevin’s statement and how that also likely alludes to EE.
Ant agreed and AX got full EE.

This is because they are both most likely referencing the same ability that Alien X has and what everyone thinks of when they talk about a Celestialsapiens’ powers. Not to mention that Kevin used to be part of Servantis’ team, although his memory did get erased (but kept instructions to get close to Ben).

 

[LightReinh12345]

Quick reminder that the Omnitrix and Ultimatrix can regen Ben from a ton of stuff. So unless you wanna give Alien X deconstruction or thought-based spatial manipulation which completely destroys a targets body. I don’t think there are that much options left but EE. It’s also implied they were gonna use EE against Paradox.

Implied not always ≠ facts
"Dont think mich Options left" ≠ that too
So why not deconstruction or spatial Manipulation or erasing the entire body
Or EE via movement
Cause Demigra has chances of having thought based EE as well

 

[LightReinh12345]

I already explained why it is before lol

Doesnt matter I debunked it cause all of this are likely the case & assumptions

 

[LightReinh12345]

 

[LightReinh12345]

All of his abilities arent thought based
He lifted hands for Telekinesis as well

 

[Greenshifter]

We are talking about his abilties when he has no body. Bringing up instances where he has a body is pointless.

 

[Daddybrawl]

Note that the Personality Faces can still move In the dimension. Ben can as well- in fact, iirc he was doing movements in the dimension as X was. There’s not much of an excuse in ‘He has no body’.

 

[LightReinh12345]

Its time for sleep I will be back to make sure no assumptions without proper evidences
Even if its 80% Chance for having thought based EE there are still doubt so yeah

 

[Gohanblanco217]

• Servantis: "With that weapon on his wrist, he can turn into a Tokust'ar or perhaps even a Celestialsapien. This grimy child could one day just wish everything out of existence."

• Servantis: "You think this omnipotent monster is the good guy.?!..............."

 

[Daddybrawl]

’Wish’ is pretty vague, ngl. Wishing can be done by speaking, by thinking, all sorts of methods.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Its time for sleep I will be back to make sure no assumptions without proper evidences
Even if its 80% Chance for having thought based EE there are still doubt so yeah

In his Feats section in the profile we got this:

• Recreated the entire Universe with a thought.

Now, since creation and erasure are pretty similar abilities, since they're like, you know, the faces of the same money because common sense, why can't he EE even space-time with a thought when he can create it with still a thought?

 

[Daddybrawl]

That scan’s pretty misleading. X did this whole sort of Energy thingy where he glowed purple, then like shot out a few White things or something. Clearly wasn’t a thought, there was a whole process.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

In his Feats section in the profile we got this:

• Recreated the entire Universe with a thought.

Now, since creation and erasure are pretty similar abilities, since they're like, you know, the faces of the same money because common sense, why can't he EE even space-time with a thought when he can create it with still a thought?

Actually that's a good point, not only to mention that Creation >>>>>>> destruction so if Alien x can create something with a thought then he can easily destroy it

 

[Gohanblanco217]

That scan’s pretty misleading. X did this whole sort of Energy thingy where he glowed purple, then like shot out a few White things or something. Clearly wasn’t a thought, there was a whole process.

There is a difference between a thought based ability and how fast the ability itself is, Alien x Creation skill is thought based but the speed of his Creation ability take seconds to cover the universe

 

[Daddybrawl]

X shot out a bunch of purple lightning, shot out a bunch of white orbs which exploded into weird Galaxy-universe things idrk, then released a shockwave Which recreated the entire universe. That’s clearly not a thought.

 

[StrymULTRA]

X shot out a bunch of purple lightning, shot out a bunch of white orbs which exploded into weird Galaxy-universe things idrk, then released a shockwave Which recreated the entire universe. That’s clearly not a thought.

Then make a CRT about it, since in the profile is listed that it is a thought-based power.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

X shot out a bunch of purple lightning, shot out a bunch of white orbs which exploded into weird Galaxy-universe things idrk, then released a shockwave Which recreated the entire universe. That’s clearly not a thought.

Again :

There is a difference between a thought based ability and how fast the ability itself is, Alien x Creation skill is thought based but the speed of his Creation ability take seconds to cover the universe

 

[Daddybrawl]

Then make a CRT about it, since in the profile is listed that it is a thought-based power.

You love CRTs, don’t you? CRTs are for actually changing content, not discussing the potency of an ability.

Again :

I can literally mark the entire process. X Glows with energy. He begins releasing the Galaxy orbs after moving around a bit. Shockwave. This was all done individually, not simply by thinking.

 

[StrymULTRA]

You love CRTs, don’t you? CRTs are for actually changing content, not discussing the potency of an ability.

It needs a CRT indeed, because AX's profile threats that feats done thanks to a though-based ability.

 

[Daddybrawl]

Actually, the profile also states that he did it with a Wave of his Hand, which is also false. Look under the AP bit for that one. Someone just screwed up entirely on this thing, lol.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

You love CRTs, don’t you? CRTs are for actually changing content, not discussing the potency of an ability.


I can literally mark the entire process. X Glows with energy. He begins releasing the Galaxy orbs after moving around a bit. Shockwave. This was all done individually, not simply by thinking.

Let's just assume that Alien x EE is at least that fast, is Demigra EE also that fast?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Actually, the profile also states that he did it with a Wave of his Hand, which is also false. Look under the AP bit for that one. Someone just screwed up entirely on this thing, lol.

Reality Warping (Easily recreated the universe with a simple thought)

Even the ability section says so lmao.

 

[Daddybrawl]

Seeing as how Demigra would need 3 thoughts (Erase, Sense, Erase) according to what I’m understanding, vs Alien X’s whole process of weird movements and shockwave stuff, I think Demigra would probably get his EE out before X.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Let's just assume that Alien x EE is at least that fast, is Demigra EE also that fast?

Gravy had to erase the GT timeline with an hammer swing, so is definitely not

 

[Daddybrawl]

Reality Warping (Easily recreated the universe with a simple thought)

Even the ability section says so lmao.

Then make a CRT. Clearly, there’s a misunderstanding on the profiles, and we can’t trust it’s exact wording on the feat due to contradicting both itself and the scan. Since all we can trust in that case is the Scan, it looks like his creation isnt thought-based.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Then make a CRT. Clearly, there’s a misunderstanding on the profiles, and we can’t trust it’s exact wording on the feat due to contradicting both itself and the scan. Since all we can trust in that case is the Scan, it looks like his creation isnt thought-based.

But AX didn't move while recreating the universe tho

 

[Daddybrawl]

I mean, literally right after he stops doing the purple aura thing he moves, then bits of him come off and do things. Did you watch the video you just linked?

 

[Gohanblanco217]

I mean, literally right after he stops doing the purple aura thing he moves, then bits of him come off and do things. Did you watch the video you just linked?

He only moved his hands though

 

[Daddybrawl]

He only moved his hand

He moved both his arms into a different position, then multiple white orbs come flying off of him and explode into little galaxy things. It certainly wasn’t instant, and wasn’t even short- the Omnitrix timed out as soon as he fixed it.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

and wasn’t even short- the Omnitrix timed out as soon as he fixed it.

What do you mean by this?

 

[StrymULTRA]

He moved his hands only after the Universe started recreating, just watch it properly

 

[Daddybrawl]

He moved his hands only after the Universe started recreating, just watch it properly

No. Keep an eye on him the instant Bellicus and Serena begin glowing. Watch it this time, and tell me what you see.

 

[Daddybrawl]

What do you mean by this?

As soon as the universe was created, the Omnitrix timed out and Ben returned to normal. Granted, the Omnitrix Time is inconsistent, but they usually span the time of entire fights, occasionally multiple fights even.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

As soon as the universe was created, the Omnitrix timed out and Ben returned to normal. Granted, the Omnitrix Time is inconsistent, but they usually span the time of entire fights, occasionally multiple fights even.

Okay cool and?

 

[Daddybrawl]

Okay cool and?

That was me acknowledging the timeframe of the Creation. We’re arguing that the EE should take the same time as the Creation.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

That was me acknowledging the timeframe of the Creation. We’re arguing that the EE should take the same time as the Creation.

The timefram was like 10 seconds.......

 

[StrymULTRA]

That was me acknowledging the timeframe of the Creation. We’re arguing that the EE should take the same time as the Creation.

Are seriously saying that a EE aimed to just a guy takes the same time to create an universe? Bruh what.

Plus we could see AX already creating the space-time with just standing when the lightnings spred out of his body, he only downed his arms to spead the balls which made the material universe, in a space-time already created before from the lightnings, which were emitted from Bellicus and Serena doing nothing, so it is though-based.

 

[Daddybrawl]

The timefram was like 10 seconds.......

In the episode, that is. I’m talking about what actually happened. After all, X is offscreen for a bit, and clearly the timeframes that We see won’t always match up- for example, we’re told the average Omnitrix time is 10 minutes by Dwayne McDuffie, yet from our perspective they’ll take like 5.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

In the episode, that is. I’m talking about what actually happened. After all, X is offscreen for a bit, and clearly the timeframes that We see won’t always match up- for example, we’re told the average Omnitrix time is 10 minutes by Dwayne McDuffie, yet from our perspective they’ll take like 5.

You are not trying to tell me that it took for Alien x 10 min to create the universe, I just hope you aren't trying to say that.... I hope so

 

[Daddybrawl]

Are seriously saying that a EE aimed to just a guy takes the same time to create an universe? Bruh what.

I’m not the guy who brought up this subject. Someone else said the EE should take the same amount of time as his creation, not me. I’m just debating the subject.

Plus we could see AX already creating the space-time with just standing when the lightnings spred out of his body, he only downed his arms to spead the balls which made the material universe, in a space-time already created before from the lightnings, which were emitted from Bellicus and Serena doing nothing, so it is though-based.

Actually, Lightning didn’t come out of his body- Bellicus and Serena glowed, then we did a cool flip to X, then he moved, then the orbs then the shockwave happened. Lightning didn’t once exit X’s body.