Alien X vs Hulk | 4-0-3

[MadeByZiggy]

I already explained that. CM only allows you to manipulate certain objects of the concept.
Qoute;
All Conceptual Manipulators are bound by the object of the concepts they have been shown to manipulate. A character able to manipulate the concept of darkness is not able to manipulate the concept of matter or an individual unless otherwise shown.
In Hulk's case, he's only able to manipulate radiation.

but its otherwise stated in the basic magic profile on Hulk's page that magic is a conceptual system that affects the natural world including people. so wouldn't this mean a magic-based gamma punch from hulk wouldn't CM X?

magic in marvel is "all that is" i don't see why this wouldn't apply to X.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

but its otherwise stated in the basic magic profile on Hulk's page that magic is a conceptual system that affects the natural world including people. so wouldn't this mean a magic-based gamma punch from hulk wouldn't CM X?

magic in marvel is "all that is" i don't see why this wouldn't apply to X.

Hulk doesn't have the Range to affect X's debate dimension.

 

[MadeByZiggy]

its type 1 so he doesn't need range when it's stated: "In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept across all of their area of influence, while the opposite wouldn't affect the concept."

Hulk's magic affecting an avatar will affect everything if i'm interpreting this right.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

its type 1 so he doesn't need range when it's stated: "In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept across all of their area of influence, while the opposite wouldn't affect the concept."

Hulk's magic affecting an avatar will affect everything if i'm interpreting this right.

He'll still need a higher range.

The Contiousness and avatars exist independently from one another. So he can do anything to the avatar and it won't affect Ben or the other personalities.
Immortality (Types 1, 3 & 9; Celestialsapiens cannot die naturally. They live eternal life as they are born in The Forge of Creation. Alien X's consciousness which comprises of three personalities/beings, namely Serena, Bellicus, and Ben who is physically present, resides somewhere outside of the universe, disconnected from space-time, and exists independently of their body and can perform all actions without said body. For characters to be able to affect this consciousness they must have 1-B range and at that must be able to not just locate the pocket dimension and the personalities within for non-AoE moves, but also affect all of them at once)

 

[MadeByZiggy]

Why would he need range when affecting the Concept of Alien X?
The CM profile states multiple times: "Conventional regeneration or resurrection, no matter how powerful, would prove impossible as the very abstract concept of the character would not exist." and "However, through this power, one can change the universe's fundamental principles on the highest level.
Each concept is linked with its respective "object". In this way, altering the concept will change every object linked to it in the same way the concept itself was changed."



The pocket dimension would still conceptually be connected to the body it's independent but still connected. Its still an "area of influence"

 

[MadeByZiggy]

Hulk would be affecting every abstract part of Alien X at the highest level {Low 1-A}
meaning He would obliterate X and the Pocket Dimension because he's affecting them conceptually.

 

[Robo432343]

Hulk would be affecting every abstract part of Alien X at the highest level {Low 1-A}
meaning He would obliterate X and the Pocket Dimension because he's affecting them conceptually.

Hulk is conceptually destroying the avatar of alien x

Using ur logic everyone with cm 1 can affect like 80D beings for example

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Why would he need range when affecting the Concept of Alien X?
The CM profile states multiple times: "Conventional regeneration or resurrection, no matter how powerful, would prove impossible as the very abstract concept of the character would not exist." and "However, through this power, one can change the universe's fundamental principles on the highest level.
Each concept is linked with its respective "object". In this way, altering the concept will change every object linked to it in the same way the concept itself was changed."

Immortality (Types 1, 3 & 9; Celestialsapiens cannot die naturally. They live eternal life as they are born in The Forge of Creation. Alien X's consciousness which comprises of three personalities/beings, namely Serena, Bellicus, and Ben who is physically present, resides somewhere outside of the universe, disconnected from space-time, and exists independently of their body and can perform all actions without said body. For characters to be able to affect this consciousness they must have 1-B range and at that must be able to not just locate the pocket dimension and the personalities within for non-AoE moves, but also affect all of them at once)

The pocket dimension would still conceptually be connected to the body it's independent but still connected. Its still an "area of influence"

These two are straight up are contradicting each other.

Hulk would be affecting every abstract part of Alien X at the highest level {Low 1-A}
meaning He would obliterate X and the Pocket Dimension because he's affecting them conceptually.

Still doesn't have the range to reach him. Conceptual Manipulators still relies on range.

its type 1 so he doesn't need range when it's stated: "In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept across all of their area of influence, while the opposite wouldn't affect the concept.".

Also CM isn't one of Hulk's notable attacks. X would use EE long before Hulk uses CM, especially for concepts he's never shown to manipulate.

 

[Robo432343]

Also CM isn't one of Hulk's notable attacks. X would use EE long before Hulk uses CM, especially for concepts he's never shown to manipulate.

wtf no
Hulks gamma CM is passive

 

[MadeByZiggy]

Hulk is conceptually destroying the avatar of alien x

Using ur logic everyone with cm 1 can affect like 80D beings for example

Hulk ONLY affecting the avatar would be Type 3 tho.
I'm talking about the range than the tier.
Hulk doesn't need H1-B range with CM1 when he would be affecting every part of Alien X fundamentally he obliterates with the Low 1-A magic smurf.

 

[MadeByZiggy]

Immortality (Types 1, 3 & 9; Celestialsapiens cannot die naturally. They live eternal life as they are born in The Forge of Creation. Alien X's consciousness which comprises of three personalities/beings, namely Serena, Bellicus, and Ben who is physically present, resides somewhere outside of the universe, disconnected from space-time, and exists independently of their body and can perform all actions without said body. For characters to be able to affect this consciousness they must have 1-B range and at that must be able to not just locate the pocket dimension and the personalities within for non-AoE moves, but also affect all of them at once)

These two are straight up are contradicting each other.

Still doesn't have the range to reach him. Conceptual Manipulators still relies on range.

Also CM isn't one of Hulk's notable attacks. X would use EE long before Hulk uses CM, especially for concepts he's never shown to manipulate.

1. Conceptually they are connected. "Outside" just means out of range in this context.
2. Not really being independent and connected to something doesn't mean you're dependent on it
3. CM doesn't rely on range wouldn't make sense to
4. CM is passive for Hulk and Alien X doesn't use EE in character. I already proved how Magic CM in marvel extends to people as well its literally on the profile.

 

[MadeByZiggy]

how did you break up my post like that in your reply?

 

[Robo432343]

Actually now that I think abt it
Hulks low 1-A shittery would probably destroy the pocket dimension because it’s beyond high 1-B
We are using the alien x who fought gladiator

 

[Pepsimanslover_69]

If Hulk's Conceptual hax is Low-1A then he doesn't need Range.

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

Dawg this vs was for High 1B Alien x not for 1B

 

[MadeByZiggy]

Cm isn't affected by range regardless that doesn't make any sense. But yes. Low 1-A magic FTW!

 

[MadeByZiggy]

Dawg this vs was for High 1B Alien x not for 1B

hasn't been closed so I'm defending Hulk rq until then.
because alot of this made no sense to me.

 

[Robo432343]

Cm isn't affected by range

yes it is
Someone with CM 1 but 2-A range can’t touch someone who is 500-D

But because Hulk’s stuff is low 1-A this works

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

hasn't been closed so I'm defending Hulk rq until then.
because alot of this made no sense to me.

If conceptual manipulation ignores range then that is a stomp Alien x would get destroyed at the first second

 

[Robo432343]

Yea this thread can be closed

 

[MadeByZiggy]

yes it is
Someone with CM 1 but 2-A range can’t touch someone who is 500-D

But because Hulk’s stuff is low 1-A this works

Would that not be just because of the AP difference?
I'm saying CM isn't affected by range (distance) because with CM type 1 you can reach everything apart of the concept no matter how far.
Everything gets affected if you can affect it

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Dawg this vs was for High 1B Alien x not for 1B

Alien X High 1-B is just not real

 

[MadeByZiggy]

Alien X High 1-B is just not real

where did that even come from?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

where did that even come from?

Wank of “Incalculable dimension” statement. See here.

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

Alien X High 1-B is just not real

It was real before ultima arrived

 

[MadeByZiggy]

W Ultima tbh that was bad evidence.

 

[Success0906]

This still going? For God's sake, the guy is back to 1-B!

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

It was real before ultima arrived

Spoiler: Note

Ultima is Thanos btw