Alien X downgrade :/

[Planck69]

We are not giving Alien X over 7 abilities he's never shown, I hope.

 

[Antvasima]

We are not giving Alien X over 7 abilities he's never shown, I hope.

I would also prefer to avoid this.

 

[Firestorm808]

We're only talking about the creation of celestial bodies.

 

[Greenshifter]

We are not giving Alien X over 7 abilities he's never shown, I hope.

That entirely depends on how AX recreated the universe, since if he recreated it in exact detail then he did in fact show those abilities on screen. But again, this ain't the thread for that.

 

[Firestorm808]

@Antvasima

Should we make the thread in the Staff section?

 

[Antvasima]

Firestorm808:

You can create a staff only thread if you wish, yes. Just make sure to mark it as such.

 

[Greenshifter]

@Firestorm808 The Annihilaargh is gonna become EE very soon so his AP shouldn't be scaled off of his dura but instead scaled to him recreating the universe. He should also have 2-B via Existence Erasure at the end of his AP probably (as should all other CS's), Kukui mentioned something like this in an earlier thread.

 

[Daddybrawl]

I don’t see the use. I can’t see how ‘we see someone create galaxies’ is going to allow characters to have several abilities they’d only have via mere technicalities and have never displayed, let alone how it’ll ever get accepted as such.

 

[Planck69]

Exactly. Really, I thought powers via technicality was already rejected for a long time now.

 

[Planck69]

Also, very small nitpick but I think that the recreation of the universe feat is enough for an AP justification. The scaling from durability seems somewhat unnecessary.

 

[Greenshifter]

There IIRC has been no case like AX before where we have an actual statement of how the universe was recreated. So it's kinda impossible for this case to have been previously discussed.

 

[Daddybrawl]

Didn’t he just.... create the Universe? The fact that he didn’t get everything right debunks the ‘he literally did everything’ statement, I don’t see why X’s special.

 

[Planck69]

@Greenshifter

Maybe it hasn't but really, you tell me, are you really capable of saying Alien X has magnetism manipulation via creating the universe with a straight face?

 

[Greenshifter]

Didn’t he just.... create the Universe? The fact that he didn’t get everything right debunks the ‘he literally did everything’ statement, I don’t see why X’s special.

It actually supports him creating everything in fine detail rather than just doing a "magic handwave".

@Planck69 I still need to rewatch the trial, there was also something there that could support this yeah. Although I intend to more stay away from abstract stuff for this (magnetism is abstract in Gen Rex, don't ask) and mostly argue the physical recreation of stuff since he did it on an immensely small scale IIRC.

 

[Firestorm808]

@Antvasima

By the way, you forgot to unlock the Starbeard page.

 

[Antvasima]

I will unlock Starbeard. Tell me here when you are done.

 

[Greenshifter]

Also some of AX's matches need to be removed. Not those against DBH tho since those obviously didn't depend on AP. The other ones need to be evaluated case-by-case.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Feel free to write a list of the matches that need to be removed from other character profile pages.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Haven't really caught up with everything, but are we going to accept Alien X having EE? If so, is it gonna 4D EE or just normal 3D EE?

 

[Planck69]

Honestly, I'm very skeptical of EE but assuming we accept it then it would be 4-D.

 

[Rikimarox2]

You are not the only one, I'm really, really iffy on it. I honestly didn't expect it to get accepted.

Either way, I assume it isn't instant or thought-based, right? Unless we take into account the whole "Blink, and you'd be gone statement"

 

[Planck69]

The fact that we don't even know how it activates says a lot. Anyway, I guess thought-based? Idk.

 

[Greenshifter]

EE should get a separate thread. I’ll explain everything there and Brawl can object to everything there, until we reach a conclusion.

That said can we like maybe first finish my AX revision that was already going on before this? I was planning to make a mana CRT as well and then we can also immediately discuss whether or not AX can EE souls (and get it accepted rather than using logic in a thread). Seems like the most efficient way to handle everything.

 

[Planck69]

Also, very small nitpick but I think that the recreation of the universe feat is enough for an AP justification. The scaling from durability seems somewhat unnecessary.

The page is unlocked currently so someone could do that really quick.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Both Ben 10ks are still 2-B.

 

[Greenshifter]

Ah whoops and Omnitrix as well.

 

[Antvasima]

If somebody writes a list of the exact titles for all pages that you need unlocked, I can handle it.

 

[AKM sama]

I know I am late to this and it doesn't mean anything now but I'd still like to post my agreement with the downgrades.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

I don't know if this is possible but can we make a calculation for AX Low 2-C feat? I mean we literally did the same thing for BoG Goku and his 3-A feat was calculated as x210 3-A baseline

 

[Rikimarox2]

I don't think it is calcuable? The reason why BoG could be calculated is becuz tier 10 to tier 3 is finite in terms of attack potency. Tier 2 and above are not.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

You can’t calculate low 2-C.

 

[Eficiente]

When Alien x was fighting GG only planets and stars were visible then after GG started to grow in size entire galaxies started to become visible as well so this clearly proves that GG become as big as galaxy

It doesn't, it's only perspective, the galaxies shown were likely due to the camera zooming out for us to see the giant GG. The claim still needs to be removed.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Didn’t he just.... create the Universe? The fact that he didn’t get everything right debunks the ‘he literally did everything’ statement, I don’t see why X’s special.

To make matters even worse, the universe was also not entirely wiped yet.

During the feat, you can see Ben, Bellicus and Serena from inside Alien X and the universe is still in the process of vanishing. it was not entirely nothingness yet, so that would further cement Alien X not recreatign every single aspect 100%

 

[Gohanblanco217]

It doesn't, it's only perspective, the galaxies shown were likely due to the camera zooming out for us to see the giant GG. The claim still needs to be removed.

You have no proof for your claim dude, you can only see planets and stars when GG was in his normal size and then galaxies started to become visible when GG was growing in size which is an anough evidence to assume that he became as big as a galaxy

 

[Gohanblanco217]

During the feat, you can see Ben, Bellicus and Serena from inside Alien X and the universe is still in the process of vanishing. it was not entirely nothingness yet, so that would further cement Alien X not recreatign every single aspect 100%

No just no? When Ben was debating the 2 heads the universe was still in the process of vanishing yes that's true but when AX decided to recreate it the universe was already gone

 

[Greenshifter]

It doesn't, it's only perspective, the galaxies shown were likely due to the camera zooming out for us to see the giant GG. The claim still needs to be removed.

We can just pixelscale and angsize (since there are multiple galaxies) to get his actual height. I need it for LS anyways.

To make matters even worse, the universe was also not entirely wiped yet.

During the feat, you can see Ben, Bellicus and Serena from inside Alien X and the universe is still in the process of vanishing. it was not entirely nothingness yet, so that would further cement Alien X not recreatign every single aspect 100%

This was already brought up before and debunked, they explicitly said they were too late and can't stop the destruction and by the time they actually recreate the universe, the only thing left is a black void.

 

[Daddybrawl]

Yeah, I have to admit that universe was gone.

it means AX could’ve died to the Anihilarg tho and shouldn’t scale

 

[Eficiente]

You have no proof for your claim dude, you can only see planets and stars when GG was in his normal size and then galaxies started to become visible when GG was growing in size which is an anough evidence to assume that he became as big as a galaxy

I already posted proof with more significance than what you said, so that's dishonest. Having galaxies visible around like that doesn't mean a character in the middle at an unknow distance has their same same, that's a headcanon, we only see them now instead of before likely due to we having a new perspective due to GG becoming bigger.

 

[Greenshifter]

I already posted proof with more significance than what you said, so that's dishonest. Having galaxies visible around like that doesn't mean a character in the middle at an unknow distance has their same same, that's a headcanon, we only see them now instead of before likely due to we having a new perspective due to GG becoming bigger.

Again, pretty sure we can just calculate the distance and his height.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

I already posted proof with more significance than what you said, so that's dishonest. Having galaxies visible around like that doesn't mean a character in the middle at an unknow distance has their same same, that's a headcanon, we only see them now instead of before likely due to we having a new perspective due to GG becoming bigger.

Then AX speed should be downgraded, since his speed literally comes from him keeping up with a galaxy sized GG