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Hopefully this could be done in a civil manner, but let's begin.
The first reason was something along the lines of "there's no proof that Atomic X is as strong as Alien X." That argument relies on a reverse burden of proof. Atomic X is a fusion of Alien X and Atomix, common sense would lead you to think he's at least around the strength of Alien X. Nothing in the series states that fusions get weaker, it doesn't make any sense to assume so. I could easily say that he's not even as strong as Atomic because he only has some of his DNA. Also this. (This WOG is valid because it supports something that was likely in the first place).
The second reason was a bit more understanding but still wrong. It was Maltruant being able to harm Atomic X. This entire fight is a mess when it comes to scaling. Gwen, Kai and even base Ben are putting up a fight against Maltruant. Even if it was regular Atomix, the scene would still make no sense at all because Atomic is high 5-A.
Atomic X should definitely scale to Alien X.
The two reasons for his 2-B rating was because of Servantis and statements about being the greatest power. Servantis, is a character who lies his way through everyone, so his statements aren't reliable, and the statements are heavily taken out of context and only refer to Alien X's ability to "do anything" via reality warping.
Statements
Important statements are in bold.- August 31, 2008 - X = Ben + 2
- Serena: We are one of the most powerful beings in the universe.
- Bellicus: Because we are the most deliberative.
- Serena: We're the most powerful being in the universe. We change the very nature of space and time.
- October 10, 2010 - Map of Infinity
- Azmuth: If Aggregor can reassemble the map, he can travel to the forge of creation and gain the greatest power in the universe.
- Azmuth: He already has. He erected a chronal randomization barrier that hides the forge of creation from everyone except the forge's inhabitants and whoever has the map.
- November 12, 2010 - The Forge of Creation
- Azmuth: Trivialities. While you did it about saving mere planets Aggregor obtained the means to travel to the forge of creation and obtain the greatest power in the universe!
- Azmuth: It could work. Alien X can do anything.
- Ben: This is bigger than you and me. The whole universe is at stake.
- Bellicus: And?
- Gwen: You can start by telling us what the forge of creation is.
- Paradox: It is the source of the universe's greatest power. It's where ideas become real.
- Azmuth: The forge of creation is where Celestialsapiens, like Alien X, are born.
- Paradox: Aggregor intends to absorb the abilities of a newborn Celestialsapien. Should he succeed, he will become omnipotent.
- Paradox: That's because it's enclosed by a chronal randomization barrier. It is out of sync with all time and, without the map of infinity, totally inaccessible. Unless, of course, you're me. Inside this hidden nebula is the birthplace of a bouncing baby Alien X. And while it is a truly adorable creature.
Crono Navigator
- January 19, 2013 - Ben Again
- Professor Paradox: Oh, my apologies. I can see I have you at a disadvantage. Or I will have had you at a disadvantage. Time travel makes verb tenses so confusing. I am professor Paradox, for ironic reasons we needn't go into. Ben, a word. I'm not sure how much time we have, so listen carefully. Eon wants nothing less than absolute power over everything all timelines, all alternate realities everything.
- Eon: You are a timid fool, Paradox. Just because you never took full advantage of the Chrono Navigator's power doesn't mean I shouldn't.
- Professor Paradox: Yes, but in anyone else's hands but mine it could cause irreparable damage to the time-stream or destroy all of time and causality itself. In any event, I couldn't possibly give you the Chrono Navigator even if I wished to do so, because I don't have it.
- Eon: Hmm. No, you don't, do you? You are many things, Paradox, but a liar you are not.
- Eon: Merely the key to dominion over all space and time. And thanks to you, It is now mine! [ Laughs evilly ] It's amazing. Every time-line, every alternate reality, I can see them all and they're all mine!
- Gwen Tennyson: The holes in time... They're not closing!
- Eon: What is this, Time Walker? You tricked me!
- Professor Paradox: On the contrary, I warned you. Stop this now or all of existence will be destroyed!
- Eon: No! If I cannot rule the Cosmos then I will be the one to destroy it! Aaah!
Atomic X
Atomic X is high 5-A for two reasons, and they are down right laughable.The first reason was something along the lines of "there's no proof that Atomic X is as strong as Alien X." That argument relies on a reverse burden of proof. Atomic X is a fusion of Alien X and Atomix, common sense would lead you to think he's at least around the strength of Alien X. Nothing in the series states that fusions get weaker, it doesn't make any sense to assume so. I could easily say that he's not even as strong as Atomic because he only has some of his DNA. Also this. (This WOG is valid because it supports something that was likely in the first place).
The second reason was a bit more understanding but still wrong. It was Maltruant being able to harm Atomic X. This entire fight is a mess when it comes to scaling. Gwen, Kai and even base Ben are putting up a fight against Maltruant. Even if it was regular Atomix, the scene would still make no sense at all because Atomic is high 5-A.
Atomic X should definitely scale to Alien X.
Chronosapien Time Bomb
The CTB killed Atomic X. This is a problem for a couple of reasons. Ben 10,000, a ******* super genius, saw the CTB detonate and he thought that his best option was to use Atomic X. Knowing what the CTB is, why would he choose Atomic X if he was only high 5-A, especially when his intention was to straight up overpower the CTB? Goes to show, AX level beings can be killed by a 2-B weapon. Secondly, Ben 10k's failsafe would've turned him into Alien X if he was actually stronger than the CTB, but it didn't, which shows AX is not as strong as the CTB.Servantis
- October 17, 2014 - Weapon XI: Part 2
- Ben used Alien X in Part 1
- Servantis: With that weapon on his wrist, he can turn into a Tokust'ar or perhaps even a Celestialsapien. This grimy child could one day just wish everything out of existence.
- Servantis: You think this omnipotent monster is the good guy.?!
- Kevin: I know it. Ben's the greatest friend I ever had.
TLDR
In conclusion, Alien X and Atomic X should be low 2-C. Nothing more nothing less.The two reasons for his 2-B rating was because of Servantis and statements about being the greatest power. Servantis, is a character who lies his way through everyone, so his statements aren't reliable, and the statements are heavily taken out of context and only refer to Alien X's ability to "do anything" via reality warping.
