Alien X downgrade :/

[Greenshifter]

Why did it destroy on a 4D level according to you Brawl? Is it Galvan?

 

[Daddybrawl]

I don’t know, that’s another reason I ask
I would say ‘Because we know it creates on a 4-D level’, but is that evidence for Destroying on a 4-D level? I’m not sure, and am trying to remain uncontradictory, lol.

 

[Greenshifter]

Galvan seemed to have not been destroyed in the new timeline. This could also be due to art style change that it looks that way though?

 

[Greenshifter]

Anyways what i said earlier should suffice. You aren't gonna mention the universe and everything in it separately unless you mean the construct (space-time) and matter separately. The house analogy also doesn't add up since literally the only thing that isn't matter or energy (or a side-effect of it) when it comes to the universe is space-time.

 

[Eficiente]

You can also mean time without meaning all of time from start to finish, just the current one without involving how it was before. And no, one can mention the universe and everything in it separately, saying otherwise is stubbornness.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

You can also mean time without meaning all of time from start to finish, just the current one without involving how it was before. And no, one can mention the universe and everything in it separately, saying otherwise is stubbornness.

Maltruant was going to use the Annihilaargh to create an entire space-time contenum in a timeless void which is already an enough evidence for a low 2-C rating

 

[Eficiente]

Yes, the feat and how the opposite happened in AX's feat should be added in his profile, because as it is what he has is only 3-A.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Alright then is anyone willing to add an other justification for the Annihilaargh low 2-C rating?

 

[Greenshifter]

Yes, the feat and how the opposite happened in AX's feat should be added in his profile, because as it is what he has is only 3-A.

Just so we're clear. It's never outright stated that the opposite happened, we're assuming so because it's the same device being used.

 

[Eficiente]

That's a problem for his tier..

So, was Ben the only one to remember things from the previous universe? I don't need to but if that's the case then I can more easily prove only the universe got destroyed.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

That's a problem for his tier..

So, was Ben the only one to remember things from the previous universe? I don't need to but if that's the case then I can more easily prove only the universe got destroyed.

Yeah Ben was the only one

 

[Greenshifter]

That's a problem for his tier..

So, was Ben the only one to remember things from the previous universe? I don't need to but if that's the case then I can more easily prove only the universe got destroyed.

Ben seemed to partially remember but yeah everyone else seemed to go with the retcon. Servantis also seemed to be aware of the universe being recreated but he probably was in a different dimension at the time.

 

[Eficiente]

Ok. I'll disagree with it some other day in other thread (if nobody else does it first). For now AX's profile should still state what we believe is the proper reasoning of his tier.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Ok. I'll disagree with it some other day in other thread (if nobody else does it first). For now AX's profile should still state what we believe is the proper reasoning of his tier.

No, I would like to hear your disagreements in this thread (despite of the clear cut evidence for the Annihilaargh being low 2-C) so we are not going to deal with it in the future

 

[Eficiente]

Well, I'm somewhat busy, and if what I said is as correct as I believe it to be then other user with far more experience over the series could deal with the matter more easily.

 

[My_area]

Well if there is a thread made for Alien X AP downgrade from Low 2-C then do inform me please because I would like to argue against the downgrade if that happens.

 

[Firestorm808]

If we are done now, I believe we should close the thread. If there are any other major revision proposals, feel free to make a new thread.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Well if there is a thread made for Alien X AP downgrade from Low 2-C then do inform me please because I would like to argue against the downgrade if that happens.

I don't think there are any reasons to believe that Alien x isn't Low 2-C (I mean his Low 2-C feat was clear as a day)

 

[Antvasima]

Have all of the relevant pages been updated yet?

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Have all of the relevant pages been updated yet?

No, the Chrono Navigator profile still isn't modified

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Is it unlocked, and if so, is somebody willing to handle it?

 

[Daddybrawl]

Eon, Professor Paradox, The Omnitrix and the Chrono Navigator are the only profiles left that need changing. Sorry I can’t provide links, busy rn

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

Is somebody experienced willing to handle updating the profile pages?

 

[Greenshifter]

Anyways

Chrono Navigator

Eon

Professor Paradox

need to be changed to 2-B over time (pages are unlocked).

Demigra

Towa

Need to be unlocked and have their matches against AX re-added since the AP difference between them and Alien X did not change at all (infinity is infinity).

I'll look into the other matches later.

Alien X's AP description should probably mention 2-B with Existence Erasure.

We can discuss environmental destruction for the navigator in a different thread to avoid this thread getting derailed even further.

. I don't have time to edit all of them rn due to exam period, tomorrow maybe unless someone else is willing to handle it? And also don't forget the Omnitrix indeed.

 

[Antvasima]

I will unlock them. Tell me here when you are done.

 

[My_area]

I don't think there are any reasons to believe that Alien x isn't Low 2-C (I mean his Low 2-C feat was clear as a day)

I agree but here people have made some arguments for why he could be just 3-A(Annihilarg didn't destroy the universe completely,no proof that Alien X recreated universe's timeline etc etc) so I am expecting Alien X downgrade thread to come up soon

. I don't have time to edit all of them rn due to exam period, tomorrow maybe unless someone else is willing to handle it? And also don't forget the Omnitrix indeed.

I dont know editing in Fandom well but if its a simple edit then I can handle all of changes

 

[Gohanblanco217]

I edited some of the profiles I also added this one as an other justification for AX AP and durability

 

[Planck69]

Hold up. When did we agree with "Low 2-C, 2-B with powers"?

 

[Rikimarox2]

I don't think anyone agreed with that.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Hold up. When did we agree with "Low 2-C, 2-B with powers"?

"Low 2-C, 2-B via existence erasure" in Alien x AP justification sounds fine to me

 

[Planck69]

Yeah, no. He doesn't just have the authority to do that without agreement. That should be changed back.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Yeah, no. He doesn't just have the authority to do that without agreement. That should be changed back.

We agreed that Alien x still has 2-B EE which would scale to his AP also this was due to Greenshifter arguments and no one disagree with :

Alien X's AP description should probably mention 2-B with Existence Erasure

 

[Andytrenom]

It was supposed to be just Low 2-C. Please change it back

 

[Planck69]

We agreed that Alien x still has 2-B EE which would scale to his AP also this was due to Greenshifter arguments and no one disagree with :

We didn't. We agreed that Alien X would go down to Low 2-C. Greenshifter was the only one bringing up that 2-B EE stuff that no one actually talked about. Never mind how some people don't agree with the EE but it should be tackled in its own thread.

 

[Planck69]

Never mind, I reverted the edit myself.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

We didn't. We agreed that Alien X would go down to Low 2-C. Greenshifter was the only one bringing up that 2-B EE stuff that no one actually talked about. Never mind how some people don't agree with the EE but it should be tackled in its own thread.

It was supposed to be just Low 2-C. Please change it back

Okay my apologies then

 

[Planck69]

1. That question is leading as hell.

2. Considering he thinks living outside a universe grants one the durability needed to survive it's destruction, I doubt it's the best supporting evidence. In fact, I think he means that Alien X would survive due to being outside the timeline in question.

 

[Antvasima]

I edited some of the profiles I also added this one as an other justification for AX AP and durability

It is much better to add a cropped screencapture image than a direct link to a tweet.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, have Alien X, Celestialsapiens, Starbeard, Galactic Gladiator, Chrono Navigator, Eon, and Professor Paradox been properly updated yet? And if not, is somebody who knows what they are doing willing to handle it?

 

[Eficiente]

Word of advice

• I gave reasons above as to why the giant Galactic Gladiator and Alien X's "black hole" weren't galaxy-sized, I removed a word saying so in the former's gallery but didn't count on it being stated everywhere from his list of feats, P&A and even in GG's AP, all that needs to be removed.
• The regen the species has based on GG surviving the "black hole" is catastrophically wrong, we don't see him getting reduced to smoke or anything, just warped, presumably spatially so but it doesn't matter. He just turned back to normal after the attack.
• Surviving the destruction of the universe isn't a Low 2-C feat for Alien X as the damage was environmental destruction that was consuming everything and making the damage as it went. Should have any tiny part of the univese survived it too it would also not that Low 2-C.
• That wanked leading question from twitter needs to be removed while the summary of the edit apologizes for having the profile with it in the first place.