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AKAME GA KILL VERSE WIDE REVISION AND CLEAN UPS
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Oops thanks, i fixed them i think
PrinceofPein
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Next time try and number your points it will be easier to answer that way
1. No one said she did not make the Ice soldiers prior, but she was shown to create 8 with a snap of finger thats all that matters here
2. Training Combat skills of the soldiers =/= The ice energy invested in them increased, you gotta prove that. Training the ice calvaries combat skills just means they will get better at combat not like they are absorbing more energies as they were training which you will need to prove again. And again dont take esdeath words out of context and this is the most ridiculous out of contexts scans i have ever seen, (I will drop this in the thread)
3. She ine shotted tats, he just regenerated, meaning more hax for tats. and also a gun can blow your head off but because you can regenerate does not mean the gun cannot one shot you.
So please unless you have concrete things to say i will please like if you dont assume things or say things out of context thanks
Sigh you just got everything wrong and good strawmanning btw
1. No one said she did not make the Ice soldiers prior, but she was shown to create 8 with a snap of finger thats all that matters here
2. Training Combat skills of the soldiers =/= The ice energy invested in them increased, you gotta prove that. Training the ice calvaries combat skills just means they will get better at combat not like they are absorbing more energies as they were training which you will need to prove again. And again dont take esdeath words out of context and this is the most ridiculous out of contexts scans i have ever seen, (I will drop this in the thread)
3. She ine shotted tats, he just regenerated, meaning more hax for tats. and also a gun can blow your head off but because you can regenerate does not mean the gun cannot one shot you.
So please unless you have concrete things to say i will please like if you dont assume things or say things out of context thanks
PrinceofPein
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Basically Mitch has problem with giving her a rating based on dividing the power of her Storm, but Qawsed said it is fine, so we are still arguing on the "High 6B" key for esdeath, but the rest is fine. but if more staffs can input it wil be nice
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Lmfao facts, theres only like 3 online rn
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I can probably compromise to the “At least 6-B, possibly High 6-B”
I just don’t think the High 6-B would be applied to SC or Durability
I just don’t think the High 6-B would be applied to SC or Durability
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I sakd its fine to give her a possibly rating. The scaling is suspect enough to make a question a hard rating.
Icestorm isn't really an AP attack as much as environmental destruction.
PrinceofPein
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So everyone is with possibly, waiting for more inputs tho
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Why would they get Aura whenever that only happens if it's incompatible??
No not at all, that's just a skill feat. And she isn't returning the attack back at Ran either so that's a big no.
Targeting vitals isn't a pressure point, especially in Akame's case as she doesn't go after pressure points but rather vitals like major arteries.
That's limited durability negation she still needs to deal some form of damage for it to work.
That's Analytical Prediction not information analysis.
This is fine.
That's also fine.
Not really sure about this one.
Fair.
No they still got effected and couldn't move besides twitching.
That's fine.
Also fine.
Gonna need to provide scans for that one.
Fair.
PrinceofPein
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i just added this Reactive Power Level for Akame via this and Information Analysis via this
We also have leone reading Esdeath Aura and getting scared not just that justification, what i was passing across is that they have auras and they can also see them/sense them
that is why it is Limited attack reflection she could deflect the attacks to precisely hit enemies
well pressure points is kind of the closest skill i could find that works, do you know of any that can replace this?
okay i will change that
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well that is why it is limited resistance to blood absorption since he does not get sucked dry immediately
noted would remove it
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I'm gonna need time before I construct my thoughts on this, but I will say this.
How is AGK of all verses somehow still kicking?
How is AGK of all verses somehow still kicking?
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Esdeath is top tier
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That's not Information analysis that's Analytical Prediction. I also don't see how that's Reactive Power Level, it didn't happen Mid fight Akame simply made countermeasures to Esdeath.
Enhanced Senses but I'm pretty sure that they have it already.
It's not even limited Attack reflection, she didn't hit Ran with his own Attack which is needed to qualify for Attack reflection. This is just a feat of skill.
No this isn't even an ability, just list it under her intelligence that she aims for the vitals.
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That's not a pressure point, targeting areas like the neck for a sword slash isn't a form of pressure points.
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You literally said pressure points weren't an ability so I must've gotten confused lol
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No I said the ability Pain was looking for isn't an ability, hence why I said "add it to her intelligence section."
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noted
yes
What can be used as substitution
Well noted i would do that
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Meh, whatever.
Back OT, I disagree with pressure points and attack reflection. Vital areas and pressure points are two different things, my carotid artery is a vital area, yes, but it isn't considered a pressure point. So is my Achilles tendon.
I also don't understand how hitting an attack back at someone is attack reflection, anybody can do that.
Back OT, I disagree with pressure points and attack reflection. Vital areas and pressure points are two different things, my carotid artery is a vital area, yes, but it isn't considered a pressure point. So is my Achilles tendon.
I also don't understand how hitting an attack back at someone is attack reflection, anybody can do that.
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well hitting attack back to hit other enemies in the surrounding perfectly
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That is still not attack reflection. I know of many characters who could do that with their skill who don't have attack reflection, my guy.
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I still stand by my proposal which Qaws said is fine afterwards.
I very much agree Esdeath should scale to the energy needed for the Ice Storm because it's literally stated they did not know she was able to store energy and then take it back in to use for other attacks.
The Ice Storm isn't an attack, but it has energy and we can't deny that Esdeath can take back that energy and use elsewhere when it's stated and shown she does.
I still stand by my proposal which Qaws said is fine afterwards.
I very much agree Esdeath should scale to the energy needed for the Ice Storm because it's literally stated they did not know she was able to store energy and then take it back in to use for other attacks.
The Ice Storm isn't an attack, but it has energy and we can't deny that Esdeath can take back that energy and use elsewhere when it's stated and shown she does.
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@DemonGodMitchAubin @Qawsedf234 @IMadeThisOn8-1-2017
Can each of you post your current suggestions, so I can ask more staff members to evaluate them please?
Can each of you post your current suggestions, so I can ask more staff members to evaluate them please?
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Question, what is scaling Esdeath’s Durability and Striking Class to the Shikotazer? I wanna know first before I make another claim
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Evolved incursio Tatsumi one shot purge mode shikoutaser, Tyrant tatsumi(The next stage and stronger than evolved tats) was one shotted by Esdeath and also stomped
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I tried breaking my points down better
1. what I'm saying is she didnt create any in that moment, that was them being revealed. Saying she created 8 then 63 instantly contradicts the statement that the cavalry has been training non stop. Since there would be 63+ untrained ice cavalry heading to the battle that was happening the next day.
1.1 - like I said before the cavalry was foreshadowed way back during chapter 57.
2. Also your statement of esdeath making 63 more is false. Esdeath putting her hand down didnt mean anything. Those Cavalry were there the whole time just not on panel yet. As seen right in the bottom panel,the silhouettes of the other cavalry are seen behind the front one's before she put her hand down.
3. I dont think you get what I'm saying. She damaged Tatsumi, not one shot and kill/beat him. One shot means you beat/KO in one hit. Tatsumi got back up right after.
4.That's the thing, tatsumi has good regeneration which doesnt really define/compare to true durability. If you have regen you can be damaged constantly but comeback from it. Someone with good true durability would just tank attacks and not be damaged period.
Esdeath damaging tatsumi who possesses impressive regeneration to rely on doesnt help define her attack strength and power. Plus She hit tatsumi when the storm was active so not really a feat the applies to her daily strength and power.
5. Damaging/striking doesnt mean she's above dragon tats in stats. Again she didnt fight him. Less we say stage 2 tatsumi is above esdeath for actually damaging and knocking her out(despite that she used her ice, which is more durable than she, to protect herself). This is a 1 shot by the way.
6. Onto the storm. The snowstorm one way or the other isnt a offensive/destruction based move. Taking lesser from something bigger wont change that. What I mean is scaling esdeath to a lesser potion of the bigger snowstorm wont change that the lesser energy is still not offensive/attack based. Her daily attack power wouldnt be that level.
6.1 - just because something has a large range KE yield shouldn't automatically mean its AP applicable. A hurricane has a high energy but it's the destruction isnt comparable to its yield.
7. There's also the fact that she doesnt possess any move on the level of the lesser portion she's being scaled to. What exactly can she do with that energy other than create the ice calvary. Which is the only intended purpose for the energy seeing as it's her trump card/ace.
8. Now the robot. Najenda states "the robot can attack the capital but esdeath can go above that and attack the country". Nowhere is she saying Esdeath is overall above the robot. She's speaking on range. Meaning with the storm active Esdeath is superior in Range/AOE.
9. Lastly! There are many characters who have done the exact same thing as esdeath, better in fact and the feats arent scaled to the characters attack strength and power.
9.1 - FT irene is a perfect example. Her universe one is just like esdeath storm but better. She didnt just casually cover a country(that's much bigger than the US) with her power, she terraformed and compressed it. No days of prep required. Yet she's only island lvl?
9.2 - Then Nine from the My hero movie created an island spanning storm, when he's in his butterfly like state.
So I dont see it as right to scale esdeath to the storm,that toke extensive prep, even divided. When others who have done better don't.
I'm also referring to her not scaling to it even when she has it activated
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yes, i will get the scans when i get home this has gone on too long i wish to end it as soon as possible
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Esdeath should get a new key CIC(Commander in Chief) for the following reasons,
Here are the relevant points/scans
1. Of course Esdeath does not usually have overflowing Aura around her, so this is base esdeath
2. Esdeath took back all the power invested in her Cavalries and she was flowing with Aura around her
3. Esdeath performed the said Storm feat
4. Then we still have the Aura still around her after she performed the feat which means she is still in CIC
5. then she also said in the form she can still use her normal techniques and of course the Aura was still around her all through so yes she should get a new key
6. And also her getting a new key fixes up the scaling problem and no one scales to her new key
7. And after a while the Aura kind of disappeared amidst the fight so my proposed rating for her new key is
"At Least 6-A, Possibly High 6-A, High 6-A V=Via CIC Ice Storm(Environmental Destruction)" while her base form will be "At Least 6B, Possibly High 6B(via the energy division stuff)"
@Qawsedf234 @DemonGodMitchAubin @azontr @Antvasima what do you think?
So here are the scans
After she cut her arm Tats appeared behind her and and she sliced him open like tofu and he was taken out and on the floor till he started regenerating again
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I'm completely against giving her a 6-A or High 6-A base rating. She's High 6-A with the storm and that's it. She might be able to funnel it into something else, but her base physicals don't have the evidence of being amped in the way you're suggesting.
The 6-B, possibly High 6-B is all I'm agreeing with.
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Whoa, hold on, I thought we were already talking about ISCIC Esdeath, only that version of Esdeath becomes “At least 6-B, possibly High 6-B”
I don’t agree with that applying to Base Esdeath
I don’t agree with that applying to Base Esdeath
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For the CIC key "At least 6B, Possibly High 6B" for her base, "at least 6B"
For the CIC key "At least 6B, Possibly High 6B" for her base, "at least 6B"
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