Akagi vs D'Arby

[Chariot190]

That's because Chariot has that specific weakness. And only with the armor. Without armor it can.

Osiris aint automatic, it is long ranged though but that means little, HG and RHCP are long ranged too. If it's anything in nature to Darby younger.

 

[Chariot190]

>He literally didn't say anything fainted on the table, hair turned white and his stand released the souls because D'Arby himself admitted defeat mentally

Yes that did happem over having to bet information on Dio, that was stated as much on panel. If you read a few pages prior he steeled himself and was going to call Jotaro's bullshit. So why you're having issues understanding what happened is beyond me.

>No. I said Akagi has already played, and won, a game in which his opponent could see his hand.

Yes, a completely different type of game though where the importance of your hand has differing impact on the game at large.

 

[Ogbunabali]

>Yes that did happem over having to bet information on Dio, that was stated as much on panel. If you read a few pages prior he steeled himself and was going to call Jotaro's bullshit. So why you're having issues understanding what happened is beyond me.

How you're attributing him being "just scared of Dio and literally nothing else" is what I have issues on. Because that's quite clearly not the case, his life would've been forfeit regardless. And you keep saying "he was gonna call" is completely irrelevant, because he literally lost because he didn't believe that. How you can ignore that is beyond me.

>completely different type of game

Mahjong is a basically a glorified poker in which the hand is far more important than in poker. Because unlike in poker where your hand largely relies on what cards are gonna come out, in mahjong it all relies on your hand composition, especially since it's playing with 14 tiles instead of 2.

 

[Chariot190]

>How you're attributing him being "just scared of Dio and literally nothing else" is what I have issues on. Because that's quite clearly not the case, his life would've been forfeit regardless. And you keep saying "he was gonna call" is completely irrelevant, because he literally lost because he didn't believe that. How you can ignore that is beyond me.

Because of what actually happens? Jotaro bluffing him didng make him admit defeat, Jotaro presumably cheating didnt make him lose defeat, the prospect of being killed by the crusaders didnt make him admit defeat. And he was still going to call even after all of that because he knew that despite it all he was goig to win. But him betting information on Dio? The mere thought of having to do so is what caused him to go straight up insane and it's stated he couldnt handle the pressure of betting dio's secret. Not jotaro and his bluff. I know what happened, it's you that's ignoring context and things that are even said on panel.

>Mahjong is a basically a glorified poker in which the hand is far more important than in poker. Because unlike in poker where your hand largely relies on what cards are gonna come out, in mahjong it all relies on your hand composition, especially since it's playing with 14 tiles instead of 2.

Except in poker all that matters is what you got, nothing else, it's simplicity in that fact means you cant really do anything to change the outcome.

 

[Chariot190]

Anyway I'm going mia for a bit. If you gonna respond make it not overly convuluted so it aint a paint to do so when i get back.

 

[Ogbunabali]

>Because of what actually happens?

But that's not what happens. He forfeits his life regardless, so no matter how many times you repeat "it's just Dio" it clearly isn't. He admitted defeat simple as that. I can't understand how you keep arguing he didn't when he did.

>Except in poker all that matters is what you got

Yeah, same with mahjong. And he still won.

 

[Chariot190]

>But that's not what happens. He forfeits his life regardless, so no matter how many times you repeat "it's just Dio" it clearly isn't. He admitted defeat simple as that. I can't understand how you keep arguing he didn't when he did.

Because it very clearly isnt what happened? He was going to continue and call up to the very last moment, it was only when Jotaro said bet info on Dio did that actually change. He admitted defeat in his heart yes, but the defining factor in the which actually made him do so and pushed him over the edge was Dio, it's made explicitly clear. I don't know if youre just ignoring context or the actual order of said things happeing but if Dio wasnt brought in the equastion he wouldnt of lost his shit and lost, he would of called like he was going to even up to Jotaro betting Holly's soul.

>Yeah, same with mahjong. And he still won.

Not quite but in hat case I'm going to assume that's a fault on his opponent. I have no idea how one loses poker when you can see what cards your opponent has. It doesnt matter if your opponent can play your for a fool, if you know what they have you know what's a bluff and you cant exacty control what cards you'd get in order to make a killer high strategy play or anything like that.

 

[Ogbunabali]

I'm saying that it doesn't matter if was Dio that was mentioned or not. It clearly shows that if someone rubs him a certain way he loses his mind, which is something that Akagi is not only a master of but actually strifes for.

Well obviously you've never played poker. There have been open hand games where people with a better hand have folded, this is nothing new. Poker is more of a psychological game, rather than a game of cards. Not only that but Akagi has played against a genius who could see his hand and won, he's played against all types of cheaters including someone who sees his hand and still won. It's really not that hard to figure out if someone knows what your hand is, especially since D'Arby is cocky and won't even try to make it subtle and Akagi being an unparalleled genius who has had extensive experience with his types before.

 

[Chariot190]

>I'm saying that it doesn't matter if was Dio that was mentioned or not. It clearly shows that if someone rubs him a certain way he loses his mind, which is something that Akagi is not only a master of but actually strifes for.

Except everything other than Dio didnt make him defeat. Which is something you're straight up ignoring. It doesnt matter? Except if Dio wasnt mentioned Part 3 wouldve ended, Darby won. Why? Because up untill the literal second that Dio was brought up Darby was still going to continue playing and call Jotaro on his shit, and then win and take the souls of the entire cast. It was only when Dio was brought into play that things shifted to what you keep using as the example of him losing his mind. Either you are being willingly ignorant and ignoring what straight up happens on panel or you somehow are incapable of reading what's written on the paper.

>Well obviously you've never played poker. There have been open hand games where people with a better hand have folded, this is nothing new. Poker is more of a psychological game, rather than a game of cards.

And this aint an open hand game, context matters, and in this context it's a simple game of poker.

>Not only that but Akagi has played against a genius who could see his hand and won, he's played against all types of cheaters including someone who sees his hand and still won.

Different game, different context, Akagi is unaware of his disadvantages in this situation, etc. And Darby doesnt play like that, even if Akagi does, if he has a better hand than Akagi, he's going to play that hand to win. Younger Darby plays like that if I recall though.

>It's really not that hard to figure out if someone knows what your hand is, especially since D'Arby is cocky and won't even try to make it subtle and Akagi being an unparalleled genius who has had extensive experience with his types before.

What? He makes an effort to make his cheating subtle, it's only after he wins that he exposes himself. And if he's caught it isnt because he was being cocky, the only times he's caught is because SP straight up saw him cheating with super speed. All other times Darby made an effort to make it so he wasnt caught, he was even getting pissed off at that a random kid he hired was acting odd and was going to make it clear that he was hired. Thus exposing his cheat. Akagi does got experience with that but saying Darby oesnt try to be subtle is straight up bullshit.

 

[Promestein]

If it's one-sided one way or the other maybe this match wasn't so good after all.

 

[Ogbunabali]

It's not one sided Akagi just takes this more times than not.

 

[Chariot190]

If it's one-sided one way or the other maybe this match wasn't so good after all.

I'm not saying it's one-sided, or that D'Arby even wins.

What I am saying though is that his mental breakdown is being misintepreted as the cause of it wasnt over Jotaro or even losing conrol of the game, it was made clear that it was only Dio that made him go insane and prior to that, even through Jotaro and his blufd he was still gonna call.

and while I'm sure Akagi can bullshit Darby very hard, context for this match and Darby's outright supernatural powers of which Akagi has zero idea even exist would give Darby an edge, an edge Akagi cant exploit or see through.