Ajimu Najimi, quick upgrade (hopefully)

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Ok, I'm bad with introductions so I will go straight ahead....


Likely 3-A/Low 2-C rating with Creation for Ajimu, she has an skill which can create Universes.



This, 4th wall breaking & Reality warping (Altho I'm not too sure if I categorized these ones correctly)



[VOTES]

Agree:


Disagree

 

[Random_Bill_Cipher_tard]

I'm still discussing it in my topic, I have to prove that Ajimu's skills are indeed applicable and can be considered made for her.

 

[Robo432343]

her transduality is via hax
so it doesn't count

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

her transduality is via hax
so it doesn't count

I'll wait for more opinions on this matter.

What about the rest? A "Likely" AP rating for her Universe creation skill could suffice ig

 

[KingNanaya]

I have no clue what's even going on here, tbh

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

I have no clue what's even going on here, tbh

It's a crt lol. Anyways, can people stop derealing the thread and reply if they have something in mind releated to the OP?

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Bumpi

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Bumpi

You can only do this after 24 hours of chat inactivity.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

You can only do this after 24 hours of chat inactivity.

I thought this didn't apply to the first bump tho

 

[Rutæhh]

Ok, I'm bad with introductions so I will go straight ahead....


Likely 3-A/Low 2-C rating with Creation for Ajimu, she has an skill which can create Universes.

I dont see anything in this scan that proves this

Dimensional manipulation & Conceptual manipulation? (Altho I'm not too sure if I categorized these ones correctly)

Surpassing all dimensions does not qualify for Dimension Manipulation. You would need to actually manipulate ones spatial dimensions. For example, turning a normal person into a 2d shape by removing their width.

Where in this scan does it qualify for CM. What does Infinity mean? How do we know its a concept to even begin with? There is so much missing for us to even jump to such a conclusion

I dont know much about dualities so I wont talk about it

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

I dont see anything in this scan that proves this

Hence that's why I said "Likely" Universe level with creation. Since the skill says she can create a Universe with it. Altho the likely or possibly suffices becouse we have no idea about the timeframe.

This wouldnt qualify as u would need to prove that non reality is the negation of reality within the verse.

You are right about that one. I honestly don't really know where to catalogize these abilities.

Surpassing all dimensions does not qualify for Dimension Manipulation. You would need to actually manipulatue ones spatial dimensions. For example, turning a normal person into a 2d shape by removing their width.

Where in this scan does it qualify for CM

Disagree with everything here

Yeah, I was thinking in between CM or dimensional manip, since the ability was too vague to classify accordingly. So CM might work here.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

I dont see anything in this scan that proves this

Surpassing all dimensions does not qualify for Dimension Manipulation. You would need to actually manipulate ones spatial dimensions. For example, turning a normal person into a 2d shape by removing their width.

Where in this scan does it qualify for CM. What does Infinity mean? How do we know its a concept to even begin with? There is so much missing for us to even jump to such a conclusion

I dont know much about dualities so I wont talk about it

Done, scans edited. I just had a confusion at first due to the vagueness of some abilities. Hope this works now

 

[Agnaa]

Closing this thread due to one of the Discussion Rules about Medaka Box:

Do not try to upgrade Ajimu Najimi and Hanten Shiranui to unreasonably extreme degrees or use them in serious versus threads, as they originate in a metafictional parody manga revolving around deconstructing, circumventing, dissecting, and exaggerating plot conveniences that do not remotely make sense from a powerscaling perspective.

Your arguments have already been brought up and repeatedly refuted in the past.

Since there are at least three staff members (Me, Ant, and DT) who still agree with that discussion rule, if you want it removed, you'd have to convince two of us, or three other staff members, that she should be upgraded and the rule should be removed.

Quick response to the points made:

We don't use the wall of text skills for these reasons

In no particular order....

1. We're only told what type of skills they are. We know nothing about any limitations, requirements, ranges, speeds, how strong they are, etc. Which makes actually applying them in a fight really weird.
2. Some of the skills would leave her dead, like Death Mes (Seppuku skill), Beautiful Last Scene (Self-destruct skill), Last Murder (Both sides kill each other skill), and Sailor Same (Taking the same damage as the target skill), yet we don't see that happen. Although the last wall of the first six has a revive skill, which may mitigate this issue.
3. One of the skills would leave everyone around her dead; Deathst Moment (If you are seen they die skill), yet we don't see that happen.
4. For the few skills where we do get more information, the skill descriptions taken at face value become really wack, or even outright contradictory.
   • We eventually see Sword Looks (Sword purification skill) in the GLK novels, and it just lets her create a sword; seemingly having nothing to do with purification.
   • Later in the manga we see Unskilled (Don't use skills skill), and we learn it nullifies and blocks the user's skills for three minutes; we don't learn any of that from the description. To make things worse, she uses Unskilled in one of the walls of text, and then immediately goes on to use another skill - it's just completely contradicted.
   • Repeater Kitsch (Revival skill), actually contradicts info we learn in the GLK novels. Ajimu says there that reviving is impossible with a Skill, and that All Fiction cheats to make that possible. While Five Forks, the disease granting/removing skill, has been used to revive people, that could also be argued to be a cheat; just having a straight up revival skill exist seems fairly contradictory.
5. A bunch of other skills mentioned in the walls of text have very visual implications, but we see almost none of them. For a short list, there's "Create a maze", "Summon shrine", "Build a base", "Summon a person of great importance", "Create a universe", "Lay eggs", "Become big-breasted", "Make a backup", "Summon Hell", "Create webbing", "Grow fins", "Grow a beak", "Grow spines", "Grow needles", "Go underground", "Make fingers sickle-shaped", "Turn into a fossil". It's really hard to square the idea that she's using these abilities, and they do what they sound like they would, with there being absolutely no visual representation of the vast majority of them.

The only skills from those walls I accept are the 3 or 4 that appear visually (using magic, turning into a beast, creating chains, off the top of my head), and the ones that are further explained later.

Her saying that a bunch of diametrically opposed things are the same is a reflection of her mentality as a "not equal"; she's so much stronger than Pluses and Minuses that she doesn't see a difference between them. It's not actually an ability or AP thing or whatever.

The fourth-wall breaking claims are explained, in literally the same chapter, to be a conclusion she reached due to being immensely powerful and never failing. It's not something she has direct awareness of, so it doesn't apply to her physiology to give her an upgrade.