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No, for the same reason 5 2A spaces isn't Low 1-C.
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Acceptable Narrative Examples of "Uncountably Infinite" Addition to the Tiering System Explanation Page
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Got.
So, under the gameworld context below, only the same aleph structure applies?
Where an Infinite Hunter STR = 1 God STR = Aleph-0
Infinite God STR = 1 SuperGod STR = Aleph-1
Infinite SuperGod STR = Aleph-2
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If I understand the analogy right infinite Super God STR would still be Aleph-0. Like how infinite multiverses with infinite universe each are still 2-A. Or how infinite of those are still 2-A.
More directly: Since God STR and SuperGod STR is actually the same (both Aleph-0, there is no difference) just doing the process that got you from God STR to SuperGod STR won't get you to something higher by applying it to SuperGod STR. Because that's the exact same thing as applying it to God STR, since those two are equal.
Generally, "multiypling" an infinity by countably infinite a finite number of times won't ever land you in a bigger infinity.
If Infinite Hunter STR = 1 God STR, Infinite God STR = 1 SuperGod STR, Infinite SuperGod STR = 1 SuperSuperGod STR and so on, then you would need SuperSuperSuperSuperSuperSuperSuperSuper (repeat Super another countably infinite times) God STR to reach Aleph 1.
Hence the difference between two cardinalities is large enough that multipliers and stat scaling is practice are basically never relevant.
More directly: Since God STR and SuperGod STR is actually the same (both Aleph-0, there is no difference) just doing the process that got you from God STR to SuperGod STR won't get you to something higher by applying it to SuperGod STR. Because that's the exact same thing as applying it to God STR, since those two are equal.
Generally, "multiypling" an infinity by countably infinite a finite number of times won't ever land you in a bigger infinity.
If Infinite Hunter STR = 1 God STR, Infinite God STR = 1 SuperGod STR, Infinite SuperGod STR = 1 SuperSuperGod STR and so on, then you would need SuperSuperSuperSuperSuperSuperSuperSuper (repeat Super another countably infinite times) God STR to reach Aleph 1.
Hence the difference between two cardinalities is large enough that multipliers and stat scaling is practice are basically never relevant.
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The recent posts were in regarding how to portray a character B being uncountable stronger than character a via a narrative description.
Using a game-like world seemed to be the closest analog due to a universal number system in place.
I'm pretty sure just blatantly saying that B is uncountable stronger than A needs more context.
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Bump.
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Idk.
The math is that a finite number repeated infinitely isn't enough and neither is a normal infinity.
You need infinity
- Doesn't work = Multiverse where there's infinite different choices or parallel worlds = Example D&D's Mortal Plane or Arrowverse's Multiverse
- Does work = Multiverse where there's an infinite amount of branching points that themselves branch an infinite number of times, that also contains those infinite branching points = Example the MCU Multiverse
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Going back to the OP, it seems impossible to portray a character as uncountbly stronger without literally saying "uncountably" stronger or something.
To figuratively portray the quantity of uncountably infinite seems impossible without some usage of mathematical terms.
To figuratively portray the quantity of uncountably infinite seems impossible without some usage of mathematical terms.
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There's no visual feat that would grant you an Aleph-1 number of universes. It would require statements to get to that point.
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So what should we do?
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And the same can be said about portraying a character as uncountably stronger than someone else without scaling to some structure, yes?
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Without statements I don't see a clean way to portray an Aleph-1 difference without doing a "Flat object in comparison" sort of thing.
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