Temporal axises and HDE manipulation

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Alright so I noticed this in Tiering System FAQ:

We require that the additional time dimension is "a line comprised of uncountably infinitely many points." If new versions of timelines are only created if they are changed, due to time travel for example, then the number of "snapshots" of the timeline would be far more limited. The amount of snapshots would be one more than the times the timeline was changed. So, for example, if the timeline is rewritten 2 times, there would be 3 snapshots of the timeline: the original, the timeline after the first rewrite and the timeline after the second rewrite. That are far less than the required uncountably infinitely many.

However, in such scenario, this would mean that there is still 5th axis (temporal), but just on a very, very small scale, meaning a character can be given Higher-Dimensional Manipulation since it isn’t an AP feat if he can destroy such timelines?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Bump

 

[Digital_Franz]

Destroying a 5-D timeline does not give HDE Manipulation. It's just destruction not Dimensional Manipulation.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Destroying a 5-D timeline does not give HDE Manipulation. It's just destruction not Dimensional Manipulation.

I’m pretty sure Alien X was given HDE Manipulation due to destroying higher dimensional structure

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I’m pretty sure Alien X was given HDE Manipulation due to destroying higher dimensional structure

He has HDE if i'm not mistaken because he lives in a higher dimensional place.

 

[Digital_Franz]

I’m pretty sure Alien X was given HDE Manipulation due to destroying higher dimensional structure

Nah I don't think so. You can only see Low 1-C characters on the way up. They don't have Higher Dimensional Manipulation. Dimensional Manipulation is done through axis manipulation.Read the last paragraph on this page:

Dimensional Manipulation

Dimensional Manipulation is the ability to manipulate the dimensions that aren't limited to just three-dimensional space. Its possible applications include being able to warp the dimensionality of a target to a higher or lower dimension, being capable of phasing someone in and out of existence...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Digital_Franz]

He has HDE if i'm not mistaken because he lives in a higher dimensional place.

It shouldn't be just that. He must be able to manipulate the dimensionality of objects. Living in a dimension does not necessarily give Dimensional Manipulation without feats.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

It shouldn't be just that. He must be able to manipulate the dimensionality of objects. Living in a dimension does not necessarily give Dimensional Manipulation without feats.

From what i remember the Multiverse is 26D and he rebuilt Ben 10's omniverse

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Nah I don't think so. You can only see Low 1-C characters on the way up. They don't have Higher Dimensional Manipulation. Dimensional Manipulation is done through axis manipulation.Read the last paragraph on this page:

I was referring to this:

Characters that can just move or otherwise physically handle higher- or lower-dimensional objects can receive "Limited Dimensional Manipulation".

 

[Digital_Franz]

From what i remember the Multiverse is 26D and he rebuilt Ben 10's omniverse

Could be taken as a Reality Warping (26D). What I see that gives him a Limited Higher Dimension Manipulation is that he has broken through a dimensional barrier. It all depends on how the barrier works to give him that but what is interesting is the second to last paragraph on the Dimensional Manipulation page.

 

[Digital_Franz]

I was referring to this:

That's the difference. Destroying a 5-D universe does not mean the character moved it or can physically handle it.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Could be taken as a Reality Warping (26D). What I see that gives him a Limited Higher Dimension Manipulation is that he has broken through a dimensional barrier. It all depends on how the barrier works to give him that but what is interesting is the second to last paragraph on the Dimensional Manipulation page.

I really don't know how he got HDE or immortality type 9, if I'm wrong someone should fix it

 

[Digital_Franz]

I really don't know how he got HDE or immortality type 9, if I'm wrong someone should fix it

For his HDE it has something to do with his pocket dimension even if I don't know how it works.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

For his HDE it has something to do with his pocket dimension even if I don't know how it works.

Well, let's wait for the supporters to say something, right?

 

[Digital_Franz]

Well, let's wait for the supporters to say something, right?

Yes.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

However, in such scenario, this would mean that there is still 5th axis (temporal), but just on a very, very small scale, meaning a character can be given Higher-Dimensional Manipulation since it isn’t an AP feat if he can destroy such timelines?

No, it's nearly impossible for there to be such a thing as an insignificantly large temporal dimension. The segment of the FAQ you're citing is an instance of an anti-feat that would prove an overarching timeline is just an overarching timeline and not an extra temporal dimension.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

From what i remember the Multiverse is 26D and he rebuilt Ben 10's omniverse

I was talking about his Limited Higher-Dimensional Manipulation

That's the difference. Destroying a 5-D universe does not mean the character moved it or can physically handle it.

Shouldn’t creating or destroying one suffice?

No, it's nearly impossible for there to be such a thing as an insignificantly large temporal dimension. The segment of the FAQ you're citing is an instance of an anti-feat that would prove an overarching timeline is just an overarching timeline and not an extra temporal dimension.

Yes, but basically uncountably infinite amount of snapshots is another temporal axis of significant size, however non-uncountably infinite amount of snapshots should logically mean the temporal axis of far less size for AP, but still 5D.

 

[Laviossiii]

It's not 5-D, but only 4-D. Adding a new temporal dimension is effectively the same as adding a new spatial dimension to a given space. Meant that you are now adding an uncountable infinite number of line segments to a given 4-D structure.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

It's not 5-D, but only 4-D. Adding a new temporal dimension is effectively the same as adding a new spatial dimension to a given space. Meant that you are now adding an uncountable infinite number of line segments to a given 4-D structure.

If you have 5th dimension (temporal in this case), you are 5D, just not big enough to be relevant to Tiering, no?

 

[Digital_Franz]

Shouldn’t creating or destroying one suffice?

No. If that were the case then any being with the feat of destroying a universe would have Dimensional Manipulation.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

No. If that were the case then any being with the feat of destroying a universe would have Dimensional Manipulation.

It isn’t because it is can be classified as AP/Range feat. Not in the case when the dimensions are not significant.

 

[Digital_Franz]

It isn’t because it is can be classified as AP/Range feat. Not in the case when the dimensions are not significant.

No matter how it is, destroying a dimension does not give Limited Dimensional Manipulation except in extremely special cases.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

No matter how it is, destroying a dimension does not give Limited Dimensional Manipulation except in extremely special cases.

I meant spatial/temporal dimensions, not dimensions as universes or realms.

 

[Digital_Franz]

I meant spatial/temporal dimensions, not dimensions as universes or realms.

Wasn't the purpose of this thread to ask if destroying a 5-D timeline gives HDM?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Wasn't the purpose of this thread to ask if destroying a 5-D timeline gives HDM?

Yeah, I was just confused that you said “destroying a dimension ≠ HDM”. Like, I agree it’s not true for regular dimensions (where dimension = universe), but I was talking about a very specific one… or maybe I misunderstood what you meant.

 

[Digital_Franz]

Yeah, I was just confused that you said “destroying a dimension ≠ HDM”. Like, I agree it’s not true for regular dimensions (where dimension = universe), but I was talking about a very specific one… or maybe I misunderstood what you meant.

No matter how it is, destroying a dimension does not give Limited Dimensional Manipulation except in extremely special cases.

Ah in this comment I was talking about the realms/universes.

 

[Laviossiii]

If you have 5th dimension (temporal in this case), you are 5D, just not big enough to be relevant to Tiering, no?

if you meant destroying the 5th dimensional axis, yes, that's HDM.