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Accelerator vs. Zeref Dragneel

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Accelerator wins with zero difficulty. As far as i'm aware Zeref never timestops in a fight, and it's debatable whether his timestopping power extends from his body or not, if it does Accelerator could counter in any case

Accelerator No sells everything else he can do. if you discount the potential (however minor) use of timestop Accelerator would win in base form easily aswell.
 
@aizen death magic? How he counters that against a greater AP as well... And Zeref's time stop was shown to affect everyone around him and even if we debate on it I don't see why he wouldn't be able to use it...
 
@William

Death Magic gets no selled by Accelerators reflect. Also Accelerator can ignore dura.

As for his greater ap.. It means nothing to Accelerator's multi continent durability which is without the use his power, no less.

Fights are always in character, and he doesn't use it in character.
 
wait we use his island lvl version or else this is a stomp like what's the point of an opponent that can't do any harm since large island and multi continents are worlds apart.

What do you mean by he doesn't use it in character? If you refering to time stop let's just say okay,but you do understand death magic ignores durabilty as well,since it just takes the life out of any living target?
 
Reflect? What would that do? You think he can reflect anything all the time especially an attack like death pillar that strikes from the point you are standing?
 
I still don't get what is he gonna do? What is reflect gonna help? And reaction? Since every speed is equalsied...

Reflecting vectors won't help since death energy is no vector...
 
@William His Island level form has Multi Continent dura.

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Accelerator reflecting Mikoto's Railgun with his Vector Manipulation ability

I know his death magic ignores dura but you seem unaware of Accelerators reflection which sends vectors away from him just before it touches his skin, so Zerefs magic will never touch him.
 
Would death energy be considered a vector?

Beacuse this is a huge mismatch I mean one can attack and hurt the opponent as much as he want while the other can't even touch him...

I am aware of his powers very well i am simply talking about death magic having a vector? It's just energy...
 
@WilliamShadow

By definition, a vector is anything with magnitude and direction. Light has a vector since it has photon and heat energy through its UB Rays along with traveling in a certain direction.

Similarly, Zeref's Death Magic irradiates from within him and thus has direction. In addition, it has the magnitude of being charged with magical energy, which Accelerator's Island level form can analyze. Thus it becomes a vector he can manipulate.
 
Can Accelerator bypass Zeref's immortality and Regenerationn?

And would Law be considered a vector? Since it's just light that inflicts damage.
 
If it moves / has speed it has a vector, so yes. simply being on a planet by default means it has a vector. You won't find many things without a vector involved.

>Beacuse this is a huge mismatch I mean one can attack and hurt the opponent as much as he want while the other can't even touch him..

welcome to Accelerator Versus threads.
 
Than someone close this,since it has no sense to leave it open...

Like really or you have a hax that stomps Acelerator or he stomps you or a possible inconclusive if he can't touch you ethier...

Than again time stop should give Zeref the win since he apparently doesn't use it only beacuse of the plot...
 
If his power is as ridiculously op as it is implied then this is truly a mismatch and if this seems to be a reoccurring issue with this character maybe there should be some kind of rule to limits or determine his participation in vs threads
 
Okay so I just noticed this and I see you all have overlooked something important. While Magic without Talesma may evaporate on contact with Accelerator's AIM Field, Zeref's Death Magic is not magic. It's a curse, which is different from magic in that verse. And to my knowledge, there is nothing about how Accelerator can reflect curses.
 
@Drellix: ...misconception about how accels ability works.

He doesn't manipulate the things he reflects. He only manipulates their movement/vectors.

Or in other words vectors are something mathematical and not something that depends on any other physical property of the object.

It doesn't matter what it is, only how it moves.


So "cruse, therefore is not reflected is not reflected" is a non sequitur.
 
@DT That works for things he can understand the vectors of. Magic vectors are something he doesn't understand so he can't manipulate them.

@Rep stated to be a "curse of contradiction". Also, just because Yamisaka tried to lift a curse from that woman, doesn't necessarily put curse under the magic category.
 
@Drellix

The "curse" portion is the fact that it was bestowed upon Zeref unwillingly rather than being a Curse that the Demons use. It's still classified as a Caster Magic.

Even if it was as you say, Accelerator can reflect everything up to Telesma with his wings even if he doesn't completely understand them due to the fact that his Wings do the calculations for him.
 
@Drellix

That's just a myth that get passed around. Accelerator has very little trouble with regular magic even in base form. The only supernatural things that have left him completely stumped to the point they got through his reflections are Telesma (particularly huge amounts of it like Fiamma's Telesma bomb, he can somewhat handle lesser amounts) and Aiwass' wings. This is specifically because those are things that come from higher planes of reality and/or don't work by the laws of the universe and the supernatural. Zeref's death magic is not on their level.

Not only is Zeref's death magic considered another type of magic (very dark magic, but sill magic) in his own verse and not something beyond human understanding or the rules of magic, it doesn't work like a Toaru curse that can theoretically bypass Accelerator's vector redirection. Thus, there's nothing indicating Zeref's death magic would bypass it.
 
@Rep Hmm. You'll have to give me some time. I'm still waiting on someone to get me more scans of it being a Curse.

Was there an instance where the Wings were able to change the vector of a magic attack and it not evaporate when it touched him?
 
In regards to Accels and magic I will quote myself from another thread where the exact same thing was discussed:

"It's incorrect to say that accel has a problem with magic, it's more correct to say that accel has a problem with to arus magic. The reason accel can not reflect magic properly (for normal magic actually not a problem, since it disperses without doing damage) is because magic in to aru has strange vectors. He compares it at that point to the 11 dimensional vectors teleportation has.

So bringing it down to the reason why accel can't reflect magic properly the weakness would be:

"Can not properly reflect things with vectors which follow laws not existant in reality"


Thing is basically all supernatural powers outside to aru would actually still follow normal vector laws (as far as can be proven), which means it is not really a weakness in vs battles and the weakness is more or less obvious when one understands his ability (like that a normal shield wouldn't block teleportation)."


Essentially fairy tales magic would need vectors qualitatively more complicated than 11-D ones.

For all we see all attacks in fairy tale move one 3-D though, so you can actually not claim anything in that direction.
 
LazyHunter said:
@Drellix
That's just a myth that get passed around. Accelerator has very little trouble with regular magic even in base form. The only supernatural things that have left him completely stumped to the point they got through his reflections are Telesma (particularly huge amounts of it like Fiamma's Telesma bomb, he can somewhat handle lesser amounts) and Aiwass' wings.
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I never said that regular magic could make it through is vector shield. I said that it evaporates on contact with his AIM Field, as shown in his fight with Vodyanoy.
 
No, it didn't evaporate in contact, it just wasn't reflected it to its source properly since magic vectors are slightly different than regular vectors and cause weird stuff to happen after the reflection on the way back.

The water spear was smashed to pieces.

The water turned to a rainbow of light that flowed diagonally back from his right hand. It acted as a wall of pressure that knocked away 4 of 5 of Vodyanoy's comrades.

Accelerator had blocked the attack, but he frowned.

He couldn't figure it out.

If his reflection had succeeded, the water spear should have head straight back at Vodyanoy and pierced her arm. Instead, it had gone astray and had disintegrated into a rainbow of light. It had been an odd phenomenon. It hadn't been something like steam created from water or ice. Accelerator had caused the reflection but he didn't understand the process by which it had turned to light.
 
LordAizenSama said:
@William His Island level form has Multi Continent dura.
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Accelerator reflecting Mikoto's Railgun with his Vector Manipulation ability

I know his death magic ignores dura but you seem unaware of Accelerators reflection which sends vectors away from him just before it touches his skin, so Zerefs magic will never touch him.
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accelerator can't refelect magic he can stop it but not reflect it back read the world war 3 arc volumes

and the fight with cendrillon in NT
 
@Hazerddex

If you look to the post above yours you'll see that he reflects it, it just changes on the way back. Also, Cendrillon never used her magic on Accelerator. He simply theorized that her magic might be capable of bypassing her reflection if it worked without vectors like a vodoo doll. Of course, since Zeref's magic clearly has vectors it doesn't mean anything here.
 
Hazardex:

also note that the event where the Magic was dispersed when it hit Accelerator took place before he was briefed on magic from Birdway. And while you could debate whether the death magic would return to sender (however pointless a discussion that may be) the point of that was to show that it will not touch Accelerator period.
 
i was not arguing about would it stop the attack as much as would it reflect. as we have no current examples of him reflecting magic back at the sender.

he can stop it however
 
I don't think it is a stomp. Honestly, despite accell's fancy vector manip, with Zeref's type 4 immortality, accel can't to anything to kill him. And after zeref sees all his attacks being reflected, it's only a matter of time before he uses his time stop, then death pillar and gets the kill.
 
Accelerator splatters zeref. Nothing Zeref has will affect Acacia, not even teleportation attacks gets pass vector shield.
 
@Monarch

Zeref's never been torn apart at the atomic level nor has he had his internal organs scrambled. In addition, he has never used his time stop in combat and has a death wish.
 
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