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You are aware of which new requirement we are talking about?
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Yep, and under those standards even three verses qualifies under solid, which is more enough to keep a type. And then two more qualify under possibly 5You are aware of which new requirement we are talking about?
Woman, it seems so, these standards actually have folks who qualify.So you are telling me that those characters has explict statements of transcending all possible causality systems in their verse, where in fact, those who are not shown in the plot are still "transcended".
Then again, what make it different to omnipotence? This is definition of "absolute uninteractable".
How redundant, this thread is fine as is.I don't know mate, I have bad feeling that those can actually qualify, so let's see, a seperate thread to analyse them is preferrable.
How lovely by you, the new requirements if added will override this. No, its not fine as it is since this thread operate on current one, not the possible newest one.How redundant, this thread is fine as is.
This thread was made just over 2 weeks ago. That's new enough for me!How lovely by you, the new requirements if added will override this. No, its not fine as it is since this thread operate on current one, not the possible newest one.
This makes me think that you are actually not aware of which context we (Georr, Fuji and me) are talking about. Never mind it, then.This thread was made just over 2 weeks ago. That's new enough for me!
No, I'm aware, and the thread is being held to the standards I saw Fuji claim nobody qualifies under when objectively multiple verses doThis makes me think that you are actually not aware of which context we (Georr, Fuji and me) are talking about. Never mind it, then.
When someone says "all cause and effect natures," please don't include all those goddamn "dimensional planes" because no one is talking about it. Qawsedf has explained this before, but if you still don't understand, that's your problem.Yeah alright
We ain't changing a power to make it so 0 characters qualify again.
Specifying all causal systems would include those of higher dimensions. That is a problem with the way you chose to write this new standard.When someone says "all cause and effect natures," please don't include all those goddamn "dimensional planes" because no one is talking about it. Qawsedf has explained this before, but if you still don't understand, that's your problem.
No it isn't, nobody agrees with your thread, which is also just dead in the water at this point, and those standards have not been put in placeNo, this is necessary and already exists, but we are trying to fix it as it is not listed on the Acausality page.
Qaw has not said that on the thread, what qaw said is that type 5 is only accepted to work up to where its feats goWhen someone says "all cause and effect natures," please don't include all those goddamn "dimensional planes" because no one is talking about it. Qawsedf has explained this before, but if you still don't understand, that's your problem.
All causal systems simply mean all causal systems in that dimensional plane. No one is adding or messing with all the dimensional systems. God... why is everyone trying so hard not to understand something?Specifying all causal systems would include those of higher dimensions. That is a problem with the way you chose to write this new standard.
This is exactly what it requires. Then there shouldn't be any goddamn difference between Type 4 and Type 5.It is not her concern; rather, it is an unnecessary arbitrary requirement that lacks a logical justification, which in fact is opposite to the uninteractability imposed by everything12.
Merely having one staff member explain how things work does not establish the fact that this is how it should work with absolute accuracy. While the explanation was provided, it does not necessarily guarantee its complete validity.
Moreover, you should be aware that arbitrary requirements, especially those lacking universal reasoning agreed upon by all, tend to be non-convincing and practically unachievable without any justifiable cause. Additionally, you introduced an additional standard instead of the claim of aligning with an "existing unspoken rule".
Actually, Qaw agreed with the OP. But no more input is coming. I guess we opened it at the wrong time because the Low 1-A wiki and Marvel discussions are still going on.Qaw has not said that on the thread, what qaw said is that type 5 is only accepted to work up to where its feats go
I'm not promoting a rejected standard huh. When someone say "all cause-effect systems/natures", you all think of "causality systems existing on all dimensional planes". But what I and Qaw are saying is just to being outside the all cause-effect systems in their dimensional plane. I think this is the part you misunderstood.The current standards show a significant difference between these two. You are simply introducing a rejected standard. That's it.
Huh what? I didn't call any of them stupid. I just said they didn't want to understand it, unfortunately the two do not mean the same thing.Also, why are you calling Fuji and others stupid for not understanding? The term 'all' is meant to have no limits in its definition. You cannot impose a limitation and expect us to accept it. This is English.
You are, read my six pages thread about it. I totally did not misunderstand it.I'm not promoting a rejected standard huh. When someone say "all cause-effect systems/natures", you all think of "causality systems existing on all dimensional planes". But what I and Qaw are saying is just to being outside the all cause-effect systems in their dimensional plane. I think this is the part you misunderstood.
Yes you definitely misunderstood that's why you interpreted it that way.You are, read my six pages thread about it. I totally did not misunderstand it.
I have already said that I don't want to talk here in order not to go off the rails, but they kept insisting on answering, and if you want to report me, you are free, and I am sure that this is said for Type 5, and if you have a problem, say them in the my revision.@Georredannea15 stop derailing my thread with this "beyond all forms of cause and effect systems" nonsense, nothing about type 5 has remotely said that. If I see this one more time I'm deleting your comments, and if you keep this up I will report you for derailing the thread.
Dunno if this counts but mages are able to exist outside of time and be immune to the passage of time.as for WoD I'm not getting much of a response from Udl so if there's no one that can back up type 5 I'll just check it off as unqualified.
It is stated in the 2nd Novel that beings on his level transcend all causality, and all physical changes, though I can't add it to his profile since I'm still compiling scans.@ActuallySpaceMan42 So if I'm getting this right, these particular beings are frozen and is unable to be harmed, and another character has to make an avatar to harm them due to his true form transcending space and time. Is there anything regarding the transcending character being beyond causality as a result of not being bound by this constant change? Because if that exists I can see type 5.
Transcending all physical changes, even the eternity of end.
Transcending all causality and concepts, even the absolutes of probabilities.
Homestuck in general doesn't qualify for type 5 anymore, bar First Guardian MSPA reader who has an argument for doing soCalliope (Homestuck)
Calliope, also known by her screen name, uranianUmbra, is one of two Cherubs and is Caliborn's "sister". Tier: 8-B, likely 8-A | At least 2-A | 1-A Key: Base | God Tier/Alt Calliope | Alt Calliope (Epilogues) Name: Calliope, "uranianUmbra" (Screen Name) Origin: Homestuck Gender: Agender...vsbattles.fandom.com
This guy?Homestuck in general doesn't qualify for type 5 anymore, bar First Guardian MSPA reader who has an argument for doing so
His last key is what I'm talking about in specific hereThis guy?
MSPA Reader
MSPA Reader is the main character of Hiveswap Friendsim and Pesterquest as well as a minor character in Homestuck. They are a space explorer who crash landed on Alternia and is desperate for friendship. Tier: At least 9-B | At least 9-B, 1-A by creating "The Blackout" | 1-A | 1-A Key: Hiveswap...vsbattles.fandom.com
Aight@deonment do you have any scans where it’s shown/stated narrative = causality in the verse?
In fact, Yang Qi quickly drew on King Life-Killer’s sword technique, causing another rain of swords to appear, the kind that could bring nirvanic extermination to all living things, and summon that which was lifeless and destructionless from the void, neither touching nor stirring the chains of cause and effect.
The sword was moving with indescribable quickness, such that it seemed impossible to stop. In fact, Yang Qi knew that trying to block or dodge would be stupid. All of a sudden, a smile appeared on his face as he seemingly entered a lifeless and destructionless state.
The unblockable sword headed toward his throat, intent on taking his life. Defensive moves were pointless. The Lord of the Sword Dao was going all out.
However, in the moment that it seemed Yang Qi would be cut down, he suddenly vanished. More specifically, he disappeared into the Lord of the Sword Dao’s sword.
And the purrling is a being that exists separate from all types of causality (因果 = karma / cause and effect):“You should just surrender, human. You haven’t taken the final step, and you can’t beat me in a fight. Not that I'm interested in fighting. I’m with Yang Qi here. He has a unique fate, and I suspect that he might be able to survive the destruction of the god world. I’ve seen some signs of the trajectory of his fate, and the fact that he’s combined the God Legion Seal, the Mahātmā Jade, and numerous other magical treasures just goes to show that he's very unique. I might even need his help to fully transcend my own fate, and become truly lifeless and destructionless.”
“That’s right. You know as well as I that your empire is just too big. It has too much of a negative influence on my development. Because of it, I can't get all the resources I need. Your friends and family steal my resources. Furthermore, you have that purrling there with you. It's a unique entity that exists separate from all types of karma/cause and effect. I need to devour it as well. It's a tradeoff. You get the Great Necropolis, but I kill everyone. We’ll be the only two beings left. That's what it means to transcend. No third living being can be left alive.”
King Life-Killer’s name was very specific. He wasn’t King Killer, but rather, King Life-Killer. He believed that all living entities experienced the bitterness of suffering. In fact, he believed that on a person’s face, the eyebrows and eyes were the character 艹 and the nose and mouth were 古. Put them together, and it created the character for suffering 苦. The only way to be free from suffering was to exterminate life. Ending life resulted in that which was lifeless and destructionless. Only then would the world not give birth to suffering. Return everything to the starting point, cause all heaven and earth to go silent, prevent all growth, and send the universe back to a single point. That was life-killing. Lifeless and destructionless.