Acausality Changes

[Promestein]

Now that the Acausality page has been updated, the changes this means for various pages must be discussed, so here it is. Any questions on how varying characters' Acausality should be quantified goes here.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Pretty sure this is just good type 1, but I'll ask to be safe.

The Golden Weapons destroy their past selves beyond repair, and exist as a mangled mess in a timeline where they never went back in time to perform that feat in the first place and then are fused with each other.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Grandfather Spider went back to the past (he should prob get Time Travel) to kill The Player when he was fodder. Couldn't find him in the past so instead revived enemies The Player killed and induced them with shadow so he would at least haunted by the past . With Precognition however, we know The Player exists in the future.

Pretty sure that's type 1

 

[Andytrenom]

What type of acausality would The Speed Force have? if it even needs acausality to be mentioned.

I'll repeat my explanation from the last thread

It is stated to exist outside of time space and has demonstrated it by being completely unaffected by any alteration to the timeline done through time travel. Speedsters avoid being grandfather paradoxed when traveling through the speed force due to being outside of where the effect of such temporal alterations can reach.

A prison inside the speed force made in the future existed when Barry traveled to it in the present. It also has a short of omnipresence across various timelines as time traveling abilities of speedsters are built around moving inside the speed force where their past present and future exist at once.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Morgan_Le_Fay_(The_Librarians)

What kind of Acausality does this profile have?

If it was the previous definition of the ability, would it be Type 4/5?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Amon_(StarCraft)

Not sure if this even has Type 1, but is there any types this fits into?

IDK what existing before/after time itself qualifies as.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Billie_(Supernatural)

Similarly confused with this.

I hope it's alright if I just post what I find here, if it gets too spammy please tell me.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Many Mario characters such as Bowser should have their Time Paradox Immunity replaced with type 1 Acasualty.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hosuke_Sharaku

Not sure where the "Possibly Acausality" comes from.

 

[Crzer07]

What about becoming one with the universe and going beyond time (e.g. Superboy-Prime, Infinite Zamasu, Tetsuo Shima, Lucy, etc.) what level of acausality would things like that be?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

The Doctor. Type 1 on his own, type 4 with a transduction barrier, type 2 with anti time absorbed.

 

[Antoniofer]

Soul Eater (Valkyrie Crusade) "outdo even laws of causation", so I think she qualify as Type 4.

 

[Antoniofer]

Also, if any one with Temporal Presence have acausality then [characters listened here may qualify.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@Andy That is either type 4 or 5, don't know which one.

@Dargo Amon is probably type 1, the rest have no descriptions of their acausality on their profiles so i can't judge.

Not sure where to place Tachibana Kukuri and Demiurge (11eyes-Tsumi to Batsu to Aganai no Shoujo). It's weird, Kukuri was Kakeru Satsuki sister in another reality, she found him dead, lost control and rewrote reality by imagining a world in which the orphanage that killed him permanently died, thus creating a new reality in which an older version of herself who was Kakeru's sister killed herself, while she herself is not his sister.

Also there are also the facts that Kukuri and Demiurge are "observers" to reality, don't exist within time, and watch over all of time.

Think type 2 covers the not existing in time part, not sure about the other part though, that was before Kukuri became God and gained the eye of aeon which made her an observer to reality.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Solaris (Archie Comics) gets type 3.

Enerjak (Archie Pre-Genesis Wave), Ancient Walkers, Aurora (Archie Comics), and Knuckles the Echidna (Archie Pre-Genesis Wave) under his Chaos Knuckles key gets type 4.

I dunno how the Archie super forms would fit in since they have immeasurable speed.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Saw this the other day but didn't get to ask this due to school work and being busy.

Goetia, Tiamat (Fate/Grand Order), and Kiara Sessyoi have Type 1 Acausality due to their Independent Manifestation skills allowing them to be unable to be killed by Time Paradoxes. While the changes were made, at least I think they are, should they also be tagged/categorized with the Acausal Characters category on their pages even if it's just Type 1 Acausality?

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Tiamat at least should have temporal permanence

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

>Checks ability's page again and back to Tiamat's

Ah I see what you mean now.

Can characters have more than one type of Acausality or just have one only? Tiamat's could work for Types 1 and 3 but I'm down to just having her at one single type. Kiara's, I have to read her mats again since she has B-rank IM so her Beast incarnation is good for Type 1. What of Goetia's and Merlin's though (noticed your comment about him but didn't say or share my thoughts with that)?

 

[Promestein]

They can have multiple, but a lot of them encompass other types (Type 1 is redundant with Type 3)

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Right. So Tiamat should get Type 3 then instead, which also seems to cover Type 1 as well so that's good. The rest sans Merlin should be Tye 1 then. Merlin probably could but I'm not quite sure where he'd have it other than that he's still alive and...physically well and won't ever die according to his mats lore info.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Hey, maybe Merlin could get the deterministic causality I proposed

"No matter the future that comes to pass he will not reach the Throne of Heroes"

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Perhaps.

Anyways just to not get too into it, am I to presume that Goetia and Kiara will have Type 1 Acausality both tagged and written to their pages yes? As for Tiamat, what should be said there if hers is Type 3 rather than Type 1?

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

SMT

Type 1 for most demons and Type 3 for the high ranking ones like lucifer

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Hey

Would being seperate/transcendent from Fate be grounds for Type 4?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Probably not. Crusader Kings has two characters with that.

 

[Antoniofer]

Not being bound by fate (including not being affected by precog/clairvoyance abilities) is type 2.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Then that should be added to the devil and god from crusader kings

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

What type would Professor Paradox be outside of Type 1, for existing outside of time? Type 2?

 

[Crzer07]

Somewhere between, or a mix of 3 and 4.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Cool, can an admin here update that on his page (Also remove TPI from his powers/categories and add Type 1)

 

[Lancer45Man]

What would be Homura Akemi and Madoka Kaname's Acausality?

Type 2 I presume for their base with their 2-A forms being Type 4?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Madoka would definitly be type 2.

I'm unsure about what type of acausality being unaffected by time resets is.

 

[Lancer45Man]

Being unaffected by Time Resets can be provided by Types 1,2,4,5

Edit: If it's only Time Reset, then Type 1 is okay. If there's more info, then other types are available.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I'd say Type 1 for Homura, and Type 2 for Madoka, then.

Type 4 for the 2-A keys looks right.

 

[ZackMoon1234]

Someone please tell me

Would Raim Horde Morpheus's feats after the following be any type of Acausality?

The present him shouldn't exist - https://imgur.com/a/lwpFCb4

Dream Walkers such as him aren't constrained by Fate and Destiny and he can't get affected by Karma as he transcended and those that he chooses can't get Karma - https://imgur.com/a/eCbS5aP

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

That's Type 1 Acasuality for being able to exist if he normally shouldn't in the present.

I believe the second is just resistance to Fate Manipulation for the second as opposed to any type of Acasuality, as they still seem to follow a regular sense of cause and effect. If they transcend fate entirely as opposed to just not being effected by changes in fate they likely have type 2.

 

[ZackMoon1234]

I see.

I guess I'll have to add that to his Profile then.

I wonder if him not taking much damage since he didn't really feel it would change the outcome

 

[Kaltias]

What would be Homura Akemi and Madoka Kaname's Acausality?

Type 2 I presume for their base with their 2-A forms being Type 4?

There is a CRT discussing that, among other things (Input is appreciated).

Homura will have type 1 in base, and type 4 for her crystallized magical girl form.

Madoka will have type 2 and 4 as Ult. Madoka, and arguably type 5

 

[Crzer07]

What about becoming one with the universe and going beyond time (e.g. Superboy-Prime, Infinite Zamasu, Tetsuo Shima, Lucy, etc.) what level of acausality would things like that be?

 

[Lancer45Man]

@Crzer07

I'm not sure if they would get Acausality as all of them became the Timeline itself.