About the Dragon Ball Z speed downgrade

[Dark649]

I remember months ago that there was going to be a speed downgrade, but i remember it being not concluded (the last thing about that was a calc from RadicalMrR), hopefully this is the final thread about that.

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

True, we forgot or something.

We did that to a Star Wars thread too. Allot of verses, actually.

Anyway, Hop putting comment down to see at later date.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It's not that hard to change. We need to remove the whole "Freeza's Death Beam is Lightspeed because the french guidebook says it's a beam of light" thing, and replace that with a Kaioken-based scaling from the previous highest calculated speed, which results with Goku and Freeza being FTL anyway.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

I thought the downgrade was for the MFTL rating from Kid Buu, and Piccolo's feat supposedly because it was "an outlier", even though the ap of destroying the moon was still accepted

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@Matt. Speaking of which, there's still my eventual thread about "legit" multipliers. (It's more TGoH related than DB, but the latter is still affected)

 

[Kaltias]

@cal

Mind linking it?

@Aiden

No, it was also for the Namek Saga because the reasoning to use lightspeed beams wasn't good enough

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Eventual, meaning I haven't done it yet, @Kal.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

@Cal Seems reasonable. But then what is the speed gonna be based on?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Frieza's casual sub-rel feat, and scaling around that. That and Gotenks.

 

[Kaltias]

Iirc new speed was supposed to be baseline FTL due to the application of the x20 to Supernova's speed

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I believe he was talking about after the removal of the application of multipliers. If that falls through though, yeah. FTL.

 

[Antoniofer]

Gotenks speed is just MHS+ highballing tho, doesn't means anything, at least not in combat speed.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

I believe he was talking about after the removal of the application of multipliers. If that falls through though, yeah. FTL.

KK multipliers should still applying at least

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Kaioken multipliers should definitely apply, as they are stated to multiply all-stats.

 

[FanofRPGs]

I did this calculation, might help, though lowball would be an understatement of the year

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HZ_3FgXfOXXQDpPSJ-JVsO4HsAoFkYZu19MHcOIsYnM/edit?usp=sharing

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

Agreed.

@Aiden

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Thanks, @Fan

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The Kaioken is explictly show to increase speed multiple times:

http://englishfortamils.com/comics/...agon Ball Z v3&image=Dragon+Ball+Z+v3-144.jpg

http://englishfortamils.com/comics/...agon Ball Z v3&image=Dragon+Ball+Z+v3-145.jpg

^ Can't fly fast enough in time to reach Nappa, uses Kaioken and reaches it.

http://englishfortamils.com/comics/...agon Ball Z v3&image=Dragon+Ball+Z+v3-147.jpg

^ Vegeta states that his speed and power multiplied

http://englishfortamils.com/comics/...agon Ball Z v3&image=Dragon+Ball+Z+v3-148.jpg

http://englishfortamils.com/comics/...agon Ball Z v3&image=Dragon+Ball+Z+v3-149.jpg

^ Kaioken explanation, a multiplication of all stats

http://englishfortamils.com/comics/...agon Ball Z v3&image=Dragon+Ball+Z+v3-150.jpg

^ Kaioken x2 = Doubles Goku's power, proving that Kaioken is linear.

http://englishfortamils.com/comics/...agon Ball Z v3&image=Dragon+Ball+Z+v3-170.jpg

http://englishfortamils.com/comics/...agon Ball Z v3&image=Dragon+Ball+Z+v3-171.jpg

^ Goku states that Vegeta outclasses him in strength and speed, uses Kaioken to match casual Vegeta

http://englishfortamils.com/comics/...agon Ball Z v4&image=Dragon+Ball+Z+v4-008.jpg

^ Another statement, this time from the narrator, that Kaioken doubles your power.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

So yeah, there is no reason to not accept Kaioken multipliers because they are actually stated to be a linear increase in all physical stats and shown to be such.