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So I've recently played SS: Soldiers Soul as my technical start up for getting into the series. And one thing I noticed was that the Gold Saints lack a God Cloth in their files.. So I was wondering if those God Cloths are canon or not.
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By that logic Shion and Dohko should be included, as well. Also, why does Aiolos always get included in the most powerful Gold Saint group. Even before his appearances in Episode G: Assassin, many people said he was the strongest Gold Saint. Going by the manga, he did nothing aside from being very noble. None of his attacks were even shown.Shining Trapezohedron said:But I believe that Saga, Aiolos, and Shaka with Divine Gold Cloth should be High 3-A due to their Cosmos.
Yes, that is true. But consider of how much people actually talk about him in the show quite often. It's safe to say that he as powerful as Saga due to the fact that he is one of the two candidacy and also Saga rival for Pope position but got elected due to Shion sensing Saga evil half within him. Regardless, if Aiolos were to be alive then most of the Gold Saint wouldnt be able to beat him and he would curbstomp most of them like what he did to Shura if he wasnt holding back at all.Shining Trapezohedron said:By that logic Shion and Dohko should be included, as well. Also, why does Aiolos always get included in the most powerful Gold Saint group. Even before his appearances in Episode G: Assassin, many people said he was the strongest Gold Saint. Going by the manga, he did nothing aside from being very noble. None of his attacks were even shown.
He whooped Aiolia AND Shura at the same time with one arm? I doubt it. Also, Aiolia died at 14, and fought an 11 year old Shura. Other Golds probably surpassed him after his early death. And he didn't really whoop Shura now did he. I'll double check the original manga and see how the fight went. I do know could have won if he wasn't protecting Athena.Tivanenk said:Aiolos is above a guy who fought a God Cloth Seiya to his full power and he whipped Aiolia and Shura with one arm. Yeah, the Anti-Pope is Low 2-C.
Of course he did:Zak Attak said:He whooped Aiolia AND Shura at the same time with one arm? I doubt it. Also, Aiolia died at 14, and fought an 11 year old Shura. Other Golds probably surpassed him after his early death. And he didn't really whoop Shura now did he. I'll double check the original manga and see how the fight went. I do know could have won if he wasn't protecting Athena.Tivanenk said:Aiolos is above a guy who fought a God Cloth Seiya to his full power and he whipped Aiolia and Shura with one arm. Yeah, the Anti-Pope is Low 2-C.
Oh lol! This is from Episode G Assassin. I was discussing Classic Manga Aiolos and why people pump him up.Tivanenk said:Of course he did:Zak Attak said:He whooped Aiolia AND Shura at the same time with one arm? I doubt it. Also, Aiolia died at 14, and fought an 11 year old Shura. Other Golds probably surpassed him after his early death. And he didn't really whoop Shura now did he. I'll double check the original manga and see how the fight went. I do know could have won if he wasn't protecting Athena.Tivanenk said:Aiolos is above a guy who fought a God Cloth Seiya to his full power and he whipped Aiolia and Shura with one arm. Yeah, the Anti-Pope is Low 2-C.
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Shining Trapezohedron said:1. If you have pay attention, people talk about Aiolos not just by his noble deed but also his strength as well and heck some people would even admit that he is one of the if not the strongest saint of the 20th century.
2. Being very noble and standing for justice is not the only requirement for being Pope but also being ridiculously strong as well. If power wasn't the case then other saint would like Milo, Camus and Shura would also be a rival for Pope position as well.
3. Gold Saints fight would result in this 1,000 year war and we all know how that would went. If the 1,000 year war didnt exist then Gold Saints would be fighting a lot among themself. The Official encyclopedia state that he is equal to Saga and even the Meiken Gold saints state that he is even stronger than that.
Even better. He put down Typhon who is above any of the Titans.Shining Trapezohedron said:1. You make it seem like if Aiolos didnt die then he would loose because he wont train to improve himself. If Aiolos didnt die then he would continue to be along the line of Saga rivalry for Pope. The 14 years old Aiolos wouldnt be much of a problem if he were to stay young of course.
2. Yes that is true. But consider the fact that Aiolos didnt even get a chance to shine its such a shame.
I would like to see how Aiolos would fight and hold out against one of the Titan.
1) I'm just saying we can't assume that if he lived he'd become stronger. It's likely but it didn't happen. He died and his strength should be determined at the time before he died.Shining Trapezohedron said:1. You make it seem like if Aiolos didnt die then he would loose because he wont train to improve himself. If Aiolos didnt die then he would continue to be along the line of Saga rivalry for Pope. The 14 years old Aiolos wouldnt be much of a problem if he were to stay young of course.
2. Yes that is true. But consider the fact that Aiolos didnt even get a chance to shine its such a shame.
I would like to see how Aiolos would fight and hold out against one of the Titan.
1) Uh, that's literally what Assassin Aiolos is. Him at his full potential. That's what Aiolos would have been if he had not died.Tivanenk said:1) I'm just saying we can't assume that if he lived he'd become stronger. It's likely but it didn't happen. He died and his strength should be determined at the time before he died.
2) It doesn't matter if he didn't get to shine. That's no reason to rank him on lists based on his potential and what could've been.
Okay so most of these points are from Episode G. I'm talking about Aiolos before Episode G. People were saying he was among the strongest when he was still a 14 year old. I think he acts as the leader to the Gold Saints because he was the first one to raelize the truth about Aiolos. Also he is basically the previous "Seiya" if you know what I mean, so of course he would have priority. In the Hades Inferno chapter, it would make more sense for Dohko to lead everyone since he wiser and has known them since they were kids and they all refered to him as the Old Master. I wouldn't say he is the steongest in every spinoff. I haven't read or watched all of them, but in Soul of Gold he wasn't mentioned or insinuated to be the strongest. In Omega (crappy series I didn't finish so I may be mistaked), I don't think he even made an appearance let alone be the strongest.Matthew Schroeder said:@Zak
- Stated by Mu to be the strongest.
- Is more powerful than Ra, the Egyptian Sun God
- His Infinity Break is ridiculously broken
- Defeated Sealed Typhon
- Written as the strongest in every Spin-Off work of the series
- Had the 8th Sense before everyone else
- Acts as a leader to the Gold Saints in his brief interactions with everybody else.
He IS the strongest.
Okay I'll be more specific. Classic Aiolos is before he traveled around time and space building up his army and gaining power. Assassin Aiolos is after all that.Tivanenk said:Aiolos is 14 (or even younger) in Episode G though...
Episode G Aiolos is literally the Aiolos who's younger than Classic Aiolos.Zak Attak said:Okay I'll be more specific. Classic Aiolos is before he traveled around time and space building up his army and gaining power. Assassin Aiolos is after all that.Tivanenk said:Aiolos is 14 (or even younger) in Episode G though...
I'll explain from a different angle then lol... Are you saying that Classic Aiolos (who is older than Assassin Aiolos, mind you) had the power of Assassin Aiolos but still lost to Shura even though he was at a disadvantage? I doubt you're saying that. So this really has nothing to do with age. People were saying Aiolos was among the most powerful Gold Saints. They were saying that before Episode G Assassin even began. I'm saying that doesn't make any sense.Yes, After his appearance in Assassin, he's definitely the most powerful Gold Saints as of current. We still don't if the Thirteenth Gold Saint or someone in Assassin will will become stronger than him.Tivanenk said:Episode G Aiolos is literally the Aiolos who's younger than Classic Aiolos.Zak Attak said:Okay I'll be more specific. Classic Aiolos is before he traveled around time and space building up his army and gaining power. Assassin Aiolos is after all that.Tivanenk said:Aiolos is 14 (or even younger) in Episode G though...
Does "that generation" refer to the time when only he and Saga were around and the other Gold Saints were children? I dont think killing a sealed Typhon would put him above everyone else. To be fair, all the Gold Saints in Episode G are above their classic incarnations.Tivanenk said:I'm not talking about Assassin here. I'm talking about the original Episode G. Which is literally the Aiolos that Shura killed in the original, classic timeline. He was called both the strongest gold saint of that generation by the narrator himself AND he slew a sealed Typhon with his Sagittarius Arrow.
It referred to the time near his death so the young Gold Saints received their Gold Cloths already. And really, who else would you put above Aiolos? Saga? Shaka? Heaven forbid, Dohko?Zak Attak said:Does "that generation" refer to the time when only he and Saga were around and the other Gold Saints were children? I dont think killing a sealed Typhon would put him above everyone else. To be fair, all the Gold Saints in Episode G are above their classic incarnations.Tivanenk said:I'm not talking about Assassin here. I'm talking about the original Episode G. Which is literally the Aiolos that Shura killed in the original, classic timeline. He was called both the strongest gold saint of that generation by the narrator himself AND he slew a sealed Typhon with his Sagittarius Arrow.