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About Novel Kars and Dio
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That is correct. Doesn't mean it's 4-D. In fact, one plot point in the novel is how everyone has it's own space-time. That's how the giant flesh wall can protect them from MiH's effects. Since it is a living thing, it has a conscience, and through that, it can bend time by thinking.
Essentially, it's justifying why in detective novels, the protag expends so much time thinking yet it only passes like a few seconds. Which is something many people forget when dealing with JORGE JOESTAR; it's a self-aware mystery novel. Almost a parody, but with a Jojo Theme. That's why I like it so much, in fact.
Edit: Just realized this should give limited time manipulation to Joji. Will search for the scans and everything.
That is correct. Doesn't mean it's 4-D. In fact, one plot point in the novel is how everyone has it's own space-time. That's how the giant flesh wall can protect them from MiH's effects. Since it is a living thing, it has a conscience, and through that, it can bend time by thinking.
Essentially, it's justifying why in detective novels, the protag expends so much time thinking yet it only passes like a few seconds. Which is something many people forget when dealing with JORGE JOESTAR; it's a self-aware mystery novel. Almost a parody, but with a Jojo Theme. That's why I like it so much, in fact.
Edit: Just realized this should give limited time manipulation to Joji. Will search for the scans and everything.
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George II (Joseph's father) realizing the internal time thing:
Joji explaining it, too:
Joji explaining it, too:
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A message from Iapitus:
I honeslty am Ok with this, with a few exceptions. Why are they losing their accausality and resistence to will power manip?
Also, Kars should get low Godly regen if he can regenerate from just a soul
I honeslty am Ok with this, with a few exceptions. Why are they losing their accausality and resistence to will power manip?
Also, Kars should get low Godly regen if he can regenerate from just a soul
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Because there is no mention that GER tried to attack DIO.
Kars can't regen from his soul.
Kars can't regen from his soul.
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This thread is a joy to read
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my boi. GER is automatic. it doesn't even need to lift a finger to try to do its effects on you. Hell, it didn't life a finger against Diavolo until it was time to loop him. Saying that GER didn't lift a finger is like saying a telepath didn't lift a finger and therefore didn't try to mind hax. The fact that DIO tried to attack GER, means that GER would have used its powers on him.LephyrTheRevanchist said:
didn't yall just pull up scans saying he can survive as a disembodied soul? Did he just find another Kars body lying around, and that's how he obtained a new body?
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Show the scan that it works like that in the novel.
He did not survive as a disembodied soul, tho...
He did not survive as a disembodied soul, tho...
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Actually, i believe our rules state that ther burden of proof lies on the person attampting to show it doesn't work that way, not the other way around, though I could be wrong. we're not assuming abilities previously shown have no correlation to previous feats, or at least not ignoring that possibility.LephyrTheRevanchist said:
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why would they work any differently? we scale their stats to the original stands, so unless the abilities are shown to be different then the abilities should scale as well
weekly provided scans of it earlier tho, did he not?
weekly provided scans of it earlier tho, did he not?
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No. You can't prove a negative. Burden of proof is always on the person claiming that something is, rather than on the person claiming that something isn't.Yobobojojo said:
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^GER's two whole appearences in the entire novel. Where is it implied that it is automatic? Pucci managed to sped up time in front of him according to the narration.
And in the second one he just appeared and got strangled.
@Yobo
I was gathering the scans.
And in the second one he just appeared and got strangled.
@Yobo
I was gathering the scans.
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And also, I am glad that we got to GER now instead of earlier, having dealt with MiH. In the novel, Giorno had to cancel his death when MiH first activated in the original universe. Then, Giorno lost GER, regaining it in that set of scans because an arrow was supplied to him.
Notice how he had to cancel his death, instead of outright negating MIH passively.
Edit: That is correct, Ovens. He somehow lost requiem when cancelling his death.
Notice how he had to cancel his death, instead of outright negating MIH passively.
Edit: That is correct, Ovens. He somehow lost requiem when cancelling his death.
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its because the novel interprets GER as a temporary form that he must re activate. MiH only managed to speed up in front of him until he activayed requiem and sent Pucci isn't the Void
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No. This scans does not exist.Walking Strawman said:
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1. The first point automatically calls into question why are we still using the manga to explain things in the novel.Walking Strawman said:
2. This supports that GER isn't passive in the Novel.
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Expanding point number two, read the scans I posted before trying to refute them, please. GER was already there when Pucci accelerated right in front him and Giorno just went "I'm still faster" and muda'd him. Only the did the effects of MiH in the area disappeared. Once again, GER is not passive in the novel.
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1. Why? the manga never makes a claim on if GER is temporary or not. So why would this contradict?
2. How so?
2. How so?
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Ok, I reread the scans above and the acceleration only stopped after GER punched Pucci. Within that time, Pucci got off an entire sentence, Giorno audibly said 'Useless', and Joji heard him. I can safely say that if GER had infinite speed, none of this would have happened.
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Said context, sadly, does not exists. GER just said to DIO that he cancelled his death. That's it. I posted the scans way above already.Sir Ovens said:
And the fight was over when GER attacked, which happens only when MiH sped-up inside his already active effect of speeding up (Which negates GER's passiveness in the novel). Plus, we aren't debating infinite speed, we are debating passive effects.
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The one narrating that scene is actually George.Sir Ovens said:
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Whoops, my bad. Though my point still stands (Heh). All the evidence points to GER not having passive willpower null and infinite speed.
Now having said willpower null active, and using it is a whole new story. Do you happen to have scans of GER's interaction with Dio and Kars, that show that he wasn't willpower nulling them?
Now having said willpower null active, and using it is a whole new story. Do you happen to have scans of GER's interaction with Dio and Kars, that show that he wasn't willpower nulling them?
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Kars never encountered GER.
I have posted the whole DIO-GER thing two times now.
I have posted the whole DIO-GER thing two times now.
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LephyrTheRevanchist said:
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That entire scan doesn't say if Giorno was willpower nulling or not though. Which begs the question, would Giorno, in a situation where his father was strangling him, use willpower null or not? We know it's not automatic, but him not using it here is either bad writing, or some serious CIS.
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@Ovens
It is implied that Giorno didn't wanted to fight DIO, and it was also stated that he sacrificed himself to save George.
It is implied that Giorno didn't wanted to fight DIO, and it was also stated that he sacrificed himself to save George.
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Ah, there we go. So no willpower null resistance. Got it.
There are however, some things I want to clear up.
1) Does Kars' feat of timestopping Dio's timestop exist?
2) Is Beyond really a 2-A God, and does Kars resist his fate manip?
3) Does Kars really U N D E R S T A N D?
Edit: By understand, I mean does he actually know things just by looking at them?
There are however, some things I want to clear up.
1) Does Kars' feat of timestopping Dio's timestop exist?
2) Is Beyond really a 2-A God, and does Kars resist his fate manip?
3) Does Kars really U N D E R S T A N D?
Edit: By understand, I mean does he actually know things just by looking at them?
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1. No
2. It is unknown, but there is no showing of Kars resisting that. I don't even remember Kars knowing about Beyond.
3. Already covered above.
2. It is unknown, but there is no showing of Kars resisting that. I don't even remember Kars knowing about Beyond.
3. Already covered above.
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Sorry if I'm asking a lot of questions, it's just that I want to be clear with this.
Does D4CU work the way it's written on his profile? Like, does it actually create new universes, instead of just travelling to them?
Also I just realized Medaka vs Kars can actually be a thing now. Praise Medakars.
Does D4CU work the way it's written on his profile? Like, does it actually create new universes, instead of just travelling to them?
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Haha, don't worry.
And... Sorta? It's simply Joji speculating about it and Funny going all like "I didn't thought about it that way".
And... Sorta? It's simply Joji speculating about it and Funny going all like "I didn't thought about it that way".
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Joji speculating stuff about
D4C.
D4C.
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And there goes Low 2-C D4CU. He's just speculating. There's no evidence of him actually creating new universes.
Oh and if you could post scans of every time Beyond is mentioned, or like when it's powers are explained, that would be great.
Oh and if you could post scans of every time Beyond is mentioned, or like when it's powers are explained, that would be great.
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Beyond stuff it's a bit more difficult. Those scans I could gather rather easily because I sorta knew exactly where to find it. With Beyond is all scattered through out the novel. Never the less, I will try and gather the ones I do remember off the top of my head.
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