About Mario and the Power Star Tiers

[Adamjensen2030]

Mario is rated at least High 4-C likely 4-A because of the Power Star, now that I'm looking at the reasonings. Rosalina stated that the Power Stars are comparable to Lumas who can transform into Planets, comets, stars and Powers. Lumas can also transform into Galaxies too

If Rosalina said they can become Planets at least then why is Mario's low end High 4-C instead of 5-B if that's the case?

I am not trying to downgrade or upgrade Mario. I want a clear explaination on the reasonings so I can understand Mario's tiering better.

Thanks for reading.

 

[Ryukama]

Because Power Stars have multiple High 4-C feats including the same game Mario got empowered by them from and the same game Rosalina said they're comparable to lumas in. So it's far more likely that most Power Stars are High 4-C rather than 5-B.

 

[Adamjensen2030]

So Power Stars being 5-B on the low end is absurd?

In that case, not all Lumas scale to the Power Stars correct?

 

[Ryukama]

I guess not.

 

[Adamjensen2030]

Is there a page talking about explicit statements and/or WOG?

Do you agree with the Lumas profiles, if not then why?

 

[Ryukama]

There are 2 High 4-C feats for the Power Stars listed on the page. That's pretty explicit for its rating.

I have no idea why one of them is 8-C via size (I'm assuming it's for that one guy in Supermassive Galaxy, who is nowhere near the size of an 8-C building) or Low 2-C. But other than that it seems fine.

 

[Adamjensen2030]

In that case, Mario defeating enemies powered by Power Stars consistently justifies a high end upgrade to 3-C. I think At least High 4-C to 4-A likely 3-C or At least High 4-C to 4-A possibly 3-C is reasonable IMO

Well if he is smaller like you suggest then should I downgrade him or powerscale him to other Lumas aka at least 5-B/5-A via reasonings?

 

[Ryukama]

It was decided that High 4-C is just the more reasonable end to use all around.

That guy seems more like Wall/Room level IMO. I'm not sure though.

 

[Adamjensen2030]

https://www.mariowiki.com/Luma_(species)

Yellow Lumas transform into Sling Stars and Launch Stars

What tier would the Yellow Lumas be?

 

[Ryukama]

I don't know. Sorry.

 

[Adamjensen2030]

So Lumas are as powerful as the things they transform into, correct?

If yes I'll upgrade the Yellow Luma to At least 5-B (comparable to other Lumas)

 

[Ryukama]

I think that's how we're rating them. You can ask DRB to be sure though.

 

[Adamjensen2030]

Okay, how does this blog prove that Mario and Luigi's speed are Sub-Relativistic?

Do they run beside the canon or scale to it in one way or another?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Adam They scale to the Bye Bye Cannon because theyre able to react and perform actions while moving at that speed

 

[Adamjensen2030]

WeeklyBattles:

I recently made a thread about reactions speed can you please answer it?

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/857656

For example Base Sonic is FTL but he hasn't ran at least 8 times around the Earth's equator in 1 second yet.

 

[Dark649]

Sorry if i'm deraling the thread, but at which tier and speed are the bosses of Paper Mario as i was planning to remake the Crystal King page that got deleted, they should be vaslty superior to Birdo.

 

[ArceusBowser44]

^I don't get why 3-C Mario isn't used. Mario has PLENTY of Tier 3 feats. Power Stars, Defeated Grand Star Bowser, equal To Paper Mario in Paper Jam (Paper Mario in Paper Jam has created a universe-sized realm in the Trio Meteor attack), he is also a star child (Baby Bowser needed the other six star children in order to conquer and destroy the universe), defeated several bosses empowered by Power Stars and Grand Stars and FAR more....

 

[Dark649]

It was already discussed here and here.

 

[ArceusBowser44]

It was already discussed here and here.

But Mario has still more tier 3 feats than tier 4. So, Galaxy or Multi-Galaxy level is more accurate

 

[Adamjensen2030]

But Mario has still more tier 3 feats than tier 4. So, Galaxy or Multi-Galaxy level is more accurate

Metal Mario875 and I agreed that Mario's consistent feats are in the Tier 4 range aka At least High 4-C, likely 4-A though he prefers the high end to be upgraded to 3-C.

 

[Dark649]

But Mario has still more tier 3 feats than tier 4. So, Galaxy or Multi-Galaxy level is more accurate

No, they are the same as Base Mario defeating Dreamy Bowser.

 

[Adamjensen2030]

No, they are the same as Base Mario defeating Dreamy Bowser.

Is this why Mario doesn't have lots of keys on Vs Battles?

 

[Dark649]

Is this why Mario doesn't have lots of keys on Vs Battles?

Yes.

 

[Adamjensen2030]

Yes.

I can assume that if Mario had too many keys it would lead to too many contradictions if I'm not mistaken. My Mario profile has a lot of keys at the moment.

 

[ArceusBowser44]

But Mario has still more tier 3 feats than tier 4. So, Galaxy or Multi-Galaxy level is more accurate

Metal Mario875 and I agreed that Mario's consistent feats are in the Tier 4 range aka At least High 4-C, likely 4-A though he prefers the high end to be upgraded to 3-C.

Hm, Metal actually agree that Mario has more tier 2 feats. And, Mario has still more tier 3 feats

 

[Adamjensen2030]

Hm, Metal actually agree that Mario has more tier 2 feats. And, Mario has still more tier 3 feats

Mario has accomplished more 3D feats than 4D feats thus which is why I agree with Tier 4 Mario.

 

[ArceusBowser44]

But Mario has still more tier 3 feats than tier 4. So, Galaxy or Multi-Galaxy level is more accurate

No, they are the same as Base Mario defeating Dreamy Bowser.

^They are the same, but Mario's power constantly change from game to game. This is why i think the Mario profile is inaccurate. In the 2-D games, Mario is Large Country level, in the 3-D games, Mario is Multi-Solar System, in the Galaxy games, Mario is Universal+, in the party games, Mario is Multi-Solar System+ (Metal has calculated how powerful was Bowser after absorbing the Mini-Stars in MP9), in the RPGs Mario is at least Multi-Universal, possibly Multiversal via power-scalinng to Dreamy Bowser

 

[Adamjensen2030]

^They are the same, but Mario's power constantly change from game to game. This is why i think the Mario profile is inaccurate. In the 2-D games, Mario is Large Country level, in the 3-D games, Mario is Multi-Solar System, in the Galaxy games, Mario is Universal+, in the party games, Mario is Multi-Solar System+ (Metal has calculated how powerful was Bowser after absorbing the Mini-Stars in MP9), in the RPGs Mario is at least Multi-Universal, possibly Multiversal via power-scalinng to Dreamy Bowser

Base Bowser scales to Mario, If Mario was 2-B then Bowser would be as powerful as Dreamy Bowser which doesn't make sense...I'm gonna make some changes to my Mario profile.

 

[ArceusBowser44]

^They are the same, but Mario's power constantly change from game to game. This is why i think the Mario profile is inaccurate. In the 2-D games, Mario is Large Country level, in the 3-D games, Mario is Multi-Solar System, in the Galaxy games, Mario is Universal+, in the party games, Mario is Multi-Solar System+ (Metal has calculated how powerful was Bowser after absorbing the Mini-Stars in MP9), in the RPGs Mario is at least Multi-Universal, possibly Multiversal via power-scalinng to Dreamy Bowser

Base Bowser scales to Mario, If Mario was 2-B then Bowser would be as powerful as Dreamy Bowser which doesn't make sense...I'm gonna make some changes to my Mario profile.

^This is why Mario is only likele Multiverse level via power-scaling. Bowser fought Mario before Dream Team, so Bowser is only Multi-Universal

 

[ArceusBowser44]

Hm, Metal actually agree that Mario has more tier 2 feats. And, Mario has still more tier 3 feats

Mario has accomplished more 3D feats than 4D feats thus which is why I agree with Tier 4 Mario.

..This doesn't make any sense. By your logic, Super Sonic is only MSS. Mario has plenty of tier 2 feats, and he has also different keys, so Mario is tier 2 confirmed.

 

[Adamjensen2030]

^This is why Mario is only likele Multiverse level via power-scaling. Bowser fought Mario before Dream Team, so Bowser is only Multi-Universal

No he hasn't. Prove it by making a content revision thread on this wiki.

 

[ArceusBowser44]

^This is why Mario is only likele Multiverse level via power-scaling. Bowser fought Mario before Dream Team, so Bowser is only Multi-Universal

No he hasn't. Prove it by making a content revision thread on this wiki.

Can i ask you something? what are you talking about? Because i don't understand what do you want to say. In Paper Jam, Bowser fights Mario as Shiny-Robo Bowser, but Paper Jam is a different source. In Dream Team, Bowser never fought Mario without the dream stone. So, Bowser is only 2-C, Mario is likely 2-B and Dreamy Bowser is 2-B

 

[Adamjensen2030]

You can't expect Base Mario to scale to all versions of Bowser. They're either outliers or PIS unless Mario was powered up by a power source. Do you see me upgrading Base Sonic to tier 4 because he fought Emerl and Nega Wisp Armour. No they're either outliers or PIS.

 

[ArceusBowser44]

You can't expect Base Mario to scale to all versions of Bowser. They're either outliers or PIS unless Mario was powered up by a power source. Do you see me upgrading Base Sonic to tier 4 because he fought Emerl and Nega Wisp Armour. No they're either outliers or PIS.

And, this is why i said "likely Multiverse level". Mario has fought 3 Multiversals (Zeekeeper, Dreamy Bowser and Antasma), and these multiversal feats come from 1 game, meaning that this game is OP compared to the others. Again, this is why "Likely or Possibly Multiverse level " can work

 

[Adamjensen2030]

And, this is why i said "likely Multiverse level". Mario has fought 3 Multiversals (Zeekeeper, Dreamy Bowser and Antasma), and these multiversal feats come from 1 game, meaning that this game is OP compared to the others. Again, this is why "Likely or Possibly Multiverse level " can work

...Make a content revision thread about it on this wiki. I won't say it again...

 

[Cropfist]

We have a rule about discussing scaling the Mario Bros. to Dreamy Bowser.

 

[ArceusBowser44]

We have a rule about discussing scaling the Mario Bros. to Dreamy Bowser.

Yeah, i know. But it doesn't change the fact that Mario has defeated SEVERAL Low 2-C foes in the RPGs, so he should at least scale to them.

 

[ArceusBowser44]

And, this is why i said "likely Multiverse level". Mario has fought 3 Multiversals (Zeekeeper, Dreamy Bowser and Antasma), and these multiversal feats come from 1 game, meaning that this game is OP compared to the others. Again, this is why "Likely or Possibly Multiverse level " can work

...Make a content revision thread about it on this wiki. I won't say it again...

I replied to Crop. So that you can understand why im using the RPGs

 

[Cropfist]

Two of them have scaling that contradicts itself.

 

[Antvasima]

Please stop spamming the page by quoting each other back and forth. It makes the thread hard to read.